sgallan

Then here polygamy turns into a discussion of homosexuality? Can't people keep their attention better than this? LOL..... how long have you been posting on discussion boards?

You must first ask yourself what this world would be like if there were no such thing as knowledge of a God. Would there be good and evil to even define anyone's behavior? Is there now? You good is anothers evil. You are in fact considered evil and/or immoral by others who believe in a God. Many Eastern religions and societies believe in no specific God at all and seem to be plenty moral. That is what you were describing. A world where good and bad are personally defined and this is the world Satan has been working on for a very long time. He has only been unleased (as prophesied) in this last century. Up until then, God was acknowledged by most all the educated world. (Yes there are times and places where religion morphed into the same degrading and undefined mess we are in today, but not all at once all over the world as we have it today) Which version? There have literally been thousands of versions. And like I mentioned; in the east many of those religions didn't believe in a god at all. But now the world in general is moving quite rapidly towards eliminating the acknowledgment of an absolute God with absolute power teaching an absolute truth that is not subjective. Oh yeah, show me a time in history where everybody got along and believed in a specific one version of god. Only those holding to the IRON ROD which is the absolute truth from God/Christ will be able to withstand the smooth talking liers backed by Satan. Well if all I do is the result of Satan, then I think Satan is a far better diety then this god you worship. Seriously.

In another post, you proved you have multiple personalities...which personality owns the fire breathing dragon? LOL Doesn't matter..... prove it doesn't exist.

That is just you. The world is full of another kind of people who would just act out of anger or selfishness with no fear of consequences. This only holds water if all god believers, or believers in a hereafter, were good and/or terrific people. They are not. People are just people. Some good. some bad. And some somewhere in the middle. With tons of definitions of what is good and bad.

What about us with multiple personalities? You don't have multiple personalities. Yes I do. No you don't. Hey guys, he does to. No we don't. Now everybody... quit arguing!!

Since I know that God exists, the burden of proof rests upon you to prove that He does not exist. ;-) That is as impossible as you proving god does exist. So since you can't prove any god, much less yours, I see no particular need to follow those rules. Oh, and I have a invisible fire breathing Dragon living under my house..... prove He doesn't exist.

I would whoop them for teasing any one gay or straight. Of that I have no doubt! I myself do not want them handing out wooden folic symbols and teaching high school students male and female how to put condoms on. Yes, this happened in sex Ed with my two oldest sons In the US parents can opt out of such lessons. Is it different in Canada?

Since it is your [false] claim that "Jehovah is a homophobe", the burden of proof lies upon you! Prove there even is a Jehovah. Then prove the one you worship is the correct one (of thousands of variations). When you can do that I'll be more inclined to care about what this Jehovah says about homosexuality. Until then, it is just a religious thing I don't feel all that bound too being as I believe in no Jehovahs or religions.

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Children learn to accept homosexuality as being normal in public school libraries with textbooks such as "Meet my two dads" or "Meet my two moms". Whether you accept it as normal or not.... it is out still there. Would you prefer those kids merciless tease those kids that do have two moms, or two dads. Kids can be pretty cruel at times.

Neither would I. I must have missed something earlier. Was someone trying to tell you where to take your kids? Nah, but I get it all the time. Especially when I suggest the kid is better off as secular or an athiest like dad. You see, it is these kinds of issues that have me thinking religion is more harm than good. Conceeding of course there is a lot of good in religion.

My kids have a gay uncle, too, sgallen. In line with the scriptures and the current prophet's declarations, we do not demonize him. Practicing? Besides..... I'd rather have the kid think well of her Uncle.... and not as something different or lesser. You know, along the lines of... Uncle Clifford is terrific except that he is gay. You know, where you say his is gay, and everybody sort of sighs and says.... "well that is to bad" or "I am sorry to hear about that". And I sure as heck am not going to take her to a place where a fair amount of people are homophobic, and sometimes ignorantly cruel (I have seen it first hand), and not afraid to say so because they are in the 'safe' enclaves of what they think are people who agree with them. With the ones that don't agree being silent so as not to rock the boat.

As you can see, I believe it is not only a great thing to live, but I live it with my own family already. Those who don't want to live it, usually don't prosper. Prosper in what way?

Indeed if we didn't know what truth was, we would be comparable to these moogies. That is what they say too..... go figure. Any number of other faiths who also claim to have the truth. Many of said faiths marginalize and demonize, and in extreme cases kill, those who do not share the faith. In many of cases they even call some of what they do as 'love'. But I think I'll remain secular. I rather like that my kids favorite Uncle is gay. I'd rather she think highly of him rather than demonize him.

because your pride in your good works is completely evident. you> LOL.... humble I'm not. Gays are braking moral laws. You can pretend you are on the higher road defending such a practice, but you only fool yourself. You have actually taken the slippery road where all lines between what is right and wrong become hazy and eventually lost. It may look good to you now, but when it gets where murder and other haneous crimes become less and less wrong, you will see where your small beginnings ended up badly. I am 45 now, I think I can distinguish between such things thanks. That is the reason we have boundaries and lines between right and wrong in the first place, so there is a safe stopping place. You take them away, there is no stopping more and more laws and moral lines moving furthere into the darkness of total blindness where nothing is wrong, except righteousness. My boundries are different than yours, much like your boundries are different than folks like the Taliban who consider you immoral.

Much like some self-proclaimed "heathens" frequenting Christian chat sites. ;-) Indeed. :)

Yeah, but Christians rule in the majority! LOL I was waiting for something like that.... ..... only if you were all alike. But you are not. Many are Christians in name only. Many are Democrat. Some support gay marraige. Some are gay. Some never go to church. And so on.

Yes, I'd say exactly that, and we have been told that would be the case. Ah.... that explains your paranoia.

Short version - I am male. Still technically married. The wife is a alcoholic/drug addict. I am not sure where she is at the moment. I will get around to divorcing her at some point. That is if I can find her. I am rasing the one child we had (and about a half dozen other peoples kids in the heighborhood it seems as well). Once bitten twice shy I guess. Plus, I also have gay family and friends. Any institution which leaves them out isn't an institution worth saving. Just my opinion mind you. So you are saying the world is getting more and more wicked? Yeah, it is. As compared to what? Oh yeah..... and I am a godless heathen.

If anything the trend is going the other way. Albeit slowly. This is a Christian nation. Christians represent the majority in this country. Perhaps it's time for Christians to take a stand and fight for their rights before they lose their country to heathens. Well as a heathen all I have to say is...... HEATHENS RULE!

3. Destruction of civil marriage. Eventually the convulated relationships will become so absurd, that government will get out of the marriage business all together, and simply arbitrate civil unions. I kind of like this idea. I don't plan on getting married again. But figure if I stay with somebody long enough it becomes a common-law thing.

If there is nothingness ofter this life, what is the point. If there is something better after this why not just get to it. Live life on the razors edge, let the odds of risky activities catch up with you, and get to that better place. But there is the Plan of Happiness and that includes eternal life. So it is very sad to hear someone say that they don't believe there is a grand plan. How depressing. I am thankful that I have the truth in this gospel of Jesus Christ. I feel no particular need for a grand plan. Nor do I feel the need, or even want to live forever. And I am really not all that keen on being anywhere near most gods as defined by religion. They don't seem to be very nice posited dieties. However, if there were a better place I'd already be there. Or at least I'd make arrangements to get there fairly quickly after I take care of my parental responsibilities.

Maybe we are just wired differently then..... because I find your 'sad' attitudes as sad and a little disconcerting. Go figure.

I live as good and decent a life as I can, being self responsible and socially responsible. Living this way is it's own reward, and I do not expect or hope for MORE. Indeed. :)

If you were told you had a year to figure out were you wanted to go on vacation were would it be? How long?