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Everything posted by omegaseamaster75

  1. Do you think the prophet has inside knowledge about the long term side effects of the vaccine? He didn't mention it.
  2. I think that President Nelson did take this to the Lord, I am sure that he contemplated, and studied the matter out in his mind. That said, why was the message worded the way that it was? Was it his opinion and counsel about what we as members should do? There was no "thus saith the Lord" moment. They "urge" face masks and "urge" vaccination. Probably no harm in following this counsel, everyone one should make their own decision.
  3. We kind of miss the point, you say the cross was not how he completed the atonement. I disagree. His death completed the atonement. Helaman 14:14-15 For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Lots of people died on crosses but only one was our redeemer and savior. To many the cross represents his last and ultimate sacrifice.
  4. Sounds like that is changing, leave the Catholic religious calendar out of the discussion. It’s not relevant. Palm Sunday did happen, Good Friday or the crucifixion of Jesus did happen.
  5. Whats wrong with crosses? I know this discussion has been had before. A symbol is what you make of it. I see nothing wrong with the cross.
  6. It heartens me to hear the terms used “Good Friday”and “Palm Sunday” when was the last time you heard those used in a sacrament meeting, my limited experience has shown me that we gloss over the Holy Week in our meetings. I am excited for this to be the new normal. To celebrate these holy days as other Christ centric church’s do. We have been letting this slip, I remember once I had to go to a mass at my daughters school. It was Palm Sunday there services occurred before ours so it was no big deal, I would go to mass @ 9am then our normal services @ 1130. I’ll tell you what they had a great sermon focused on Christ’s triumphant return. They even handed out crosses made out of palm leafs. I went to our meeting and they had talks about family history and temple work. I don’t even think it was on anyone’s radar that it was Palm Sunday.
  7. So it would seem. We are likely not in possession of all of the facts related to this case. I know they really put the screws to you on the mission field, but he had to have felt some sort of pressure to make it through his bishop, stake president and MTC. I'll assume that the news story is accurate and he did not confess until he was on his mission.
  8. @mrmarket May not be aware of the clerical privilege laws in Utah. I know I am not and at first glance you might legitimately ask "what the heck". What I do know is that somehow a pedo was allowed to enter the mission field. Someone has some explaining to do.
  9. Happened in the mission where I live. I never met the kid.
  10. well said. I wonder if any of these items were ever mentioned as a cautionary tale for other members of the ward?
  11. See highlighted parts, you can cremate. In the example given cremation needed to have been a valid option. While not encouraged it should have been part of the conversations especially with a mortgage and 7 small children at home.
  12. Good ideas but they need to be his ideas, not his girlfriends or wife's ideas.
  13. I agree with the underlying issues. HE needs professional help. Has this been sought out? When I say professional help I mean that you pay money to someone to find out what is the root cause of his addictive behavior.
  14. Decide if you can live with a relapse, and all the lies and deceit that come with that. It will happen and it doesn't make him a bad person, but it will happen.
  15. I see this also, individuals want help making a budget and saving money, but its hard to squeeze blood out of a rock without taking drastic measures. If people are serious about digging themselves out of a financial mess very, very hard decisions need to be made. They really need to ask themselves can I afford to live in the house I live in? do we need two car payments? or even one car payment? maybe I can't afford to live where I want to live and need to move. Do I really need a smart phone? Cable TV? Netflix? Eating out? Vacations? When you break it down to the essentials you can save. Most are unwilling to take the steps necessary to dig themselves out of their hole.
  16. You are correct however you did not provide any context. While I am certain that this was a very difficult time for her, and I am sure that the Stake president followed the spirit and did what was best. There are lessons to be learned. Which I suspect most people can't see. What is your takeaway from her experience?
  17. Does no one cremate anymore? You can get someone cremated for around 1k.
  18. Let's put it to bed. it is my OPINION that paying someone mortgage is not a good usage of church funds. As I have previously stated I am not nor want to be a Bishop and have to make these very difficult decisions. I do know that missing a mortgage payment will not make you homeless. I think this defines clearly that it is not a short term shelter problem if a member fails to meet this particular financial obligation Let's use your example. A recent widow who uses all of her liquid funds to pay for a funeral instead of paying her mortgage. You can't be serious with this can you? Who would be so fiscally irresponsible? The poor little old widow was a fool with her money and now you want to trust her with the Lords? Like many here I have held those positions as previously stated. I have seen these items paid and when "asked" offered my opinion/counsel. Sometimes taken sometimes not. Never once have I voiced an unsolicited opinion as a ward clerk or finance clerk at the end of the day the Bishop should heed his own counsel and do as the spirit dictates. As a stake auditor I often had very frank discussions with bishops and clerks about the handling of fast offerings.
  19. The short answer is it depends. I can foresee a circumstance where paying someones rent MIGHT rise to the level of good usage of fast offerings. To be clear I am not a judge in Israel nor to I want to be. Questions might be asked. 1. When did you know you weren't going to make rent? 2. Have you depleted your savings (because we should all have a savings account for this kind of thing). 3. Have you asked for help from friends and family? 4. Have you asked for govt. assistance? 5. What bills did you pay that precluded you from paying rent? 6. Are you gainfully employed? a. Maybe you can't afford to live where you live? b. Maybe you are under employed? c. Have you taken a second job? 7. Do you track your monthly expenses? see question 5 8. What steps are you taking to prevent this from occurring again? I am sure there are others but then it is for the Bishop to decide knowing that he is the steward of the funds that his ward doles out (better him than me).
  20. Paying a mortgage for someone does not solve a short term need because there is no short term disaster impending. Ergo not an appropriate usage of fast offerings. Your citation while also dated is also not official doctrine of the church nor best practice. I have been a ward clerk, finance clerk and stake auditor. Training or not a simple reading of the handbook and common sense tells you this is not a good usage of church funds. Someone prove me wrong.
  21. I believe that it is happening, however that is not the intended usage of those funds. Unless you are in an industry and understand how our the financial system in the United States works I can see how easy it is for bishops to make this error (be taken advantage of), a our clergy receives no formal training so unless someone tells them how things work they might assume that this is a perfectly good usage of church funds. Every time I hear about someone getting their mortgage paid by the church my stomach turns.
  22. That is not what it is for. Your bishop should not be making house payments for anyone. What happens when you miss a house payment in the USA? NOTHING you are not kicked out. Sure the bank is breathing down your neck but that is not your bishops problem. As Bishop my first question would be what bill did you pay that impeded with your ability to make your mortgage? Same for health insurance. If someone came to me and said they needed help with a health insurance bill I'd have the same issue. If you need help making an insurance payment you obviously can't afford that insurance and need to find a different plan. "The bishop provides basic life-sustaining necessities. He does not provide assistance to maintain an affluent living standard." "Members who are temporarily unable to provide for themselves may need to alter their standard of living until they are self-reliant. They should not rely on Church welfare to insure them against temporary hardship or to allow them to continue their present standard of living without interruption."
  23. 5.7....please I'd sleep through a 5.7, but if your not used to it I guess I can understand the nervousness of it.