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Sounds great please provide your reference

Here is a real treat: Boyd K Packer 180th General conference: His referencing at the time prop 8 and with out saying it homosexual relations “If we’re not alert, there are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change laws that will legalize immorality, as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature … what good would a vote against the law of gravity do?” “Some suppose that they were preset and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and the unnatural,” he said. “Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?” So ELder Packer opines that God would not encumber an individual with homosexual tendencies....Doctrine or opinion?

One of these?

True, I am setting the bar a little high.

Saratoga Springs, Utah detailed profile. ... Lesbian couples: 0.1% of all households;Gay men: 0.3% of all households I may be wrong and I am big enough to admit that I am. If you are friends with the 1 lesbian couple or 2 gay couples in your city I apologize

Don't most people feel this way.....dang it why does life have to get in the way? Why do we need to eat and have jobs and be social? Who isn't anxious is the real question? When people get up to give a talk do others actually think they like doing it? or are super pumped up to stand in front of 200 strangers and speak to them? What about going for a job interview? no one is ever anxious about that. Standing in line at the DMV? Going to a crowded supermarket to by food? stuck in traffic? Life is anxiety and in general people use it as an excuse to check out and not participate. Are there extreme cases yes, but if you can get it up to go to work you can go to church. If you are really home ridden see a doctor and get medicated.

How many gay people do you know? At least I can make an argument from a stand point of actually associating with these persons. Cast your stones if you want.

There are radicals on all ends of the spectrum (think religious right or the uber liberal) , Pride parades (also known as pride marches, pride events, and pride festivals) for the LGBT community are events celebrating lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) culture and pride. The events also at times serve as demonstrations for legal rights such as same-sex marriage. So they are celebrating their lifestyle choice and lobbying for equal rights not forcing it on people ( A lifestyle choice I happen to disagree with). So as a group they are not allowed to lobby for what they want or need? Are they not allowed to celebrate their culture? My point is that in normal everyday life they just want to get along like you and me. They are normal people with normal desires, wants and needs.

How many gay pride parades have you been to? I suspect zero, please correct me if I am wrong.

You mean ward missionary right?

not the same thing....

How many gay people do you know? or associate with? I think that a conversation with those individuals will provide you with all the information you need to find out about your assumption. I happen to know/associate with gay people now and in the past and not once have they tried to aggrandize or endorse their life style. I know some may not want to believe it but they just want to get a long and live life.

Said the kettle to the pot They decided that it was important enough in the translation process to openly talk about it now, throw around your what ifs, but why not talk about it 100 years ago? or 30 or 20 or 10? No attempt by the church to bring the seer stone to light in a big way until recently. Sure mentions in old Ensigns, or books written if you paid attention. Hey we have an actual picture of it, who knew? I can agree that if you looked you could find it. But your average LDS was wholly unaware. So yes some might feel deceived. How can you not see this? Any particular reason its still not in print? I also think I asked for section numbers in D&C a reference you have yet to provide. I agree its historical whack-a-mole. The church migrated to Utah and had the opportunity to write history how they wanted and they did too the victor go the spoils, did they think this stuff would just go away on its own? The point is they knew about the seer stone all along why not be up front about it? What ever roll it played in the translation process big or small?

So what color is everyone during the millennium? I would love to know your reveled thoughts on this

Please cite your references regarding code names for objects used. I am open to the idea of it. Please prove it to me. If you can't provide a reliable source I will chalk it up to Mormon folk lore Also I never said that the urim and thummim were not used during translation they were. Or history shows that we dismiss the seer stone.

So now there are secret code names? I fell out of my chair again..... Gazelem...speculation NOT DOCTRINAL Of course he sat down and looked at them and copied them. That was not the translation process, which we teach as depicted there from the CTR 7 manual: Joseph Translated the Plates Explain that the writing on the plates was in a language that Joseph could not read. Joseph received a special tool to help him translate the writing on the plates. •Do any of you know what the Urim and Thummim are? Explain that the Urim and Thummim are like special glasses through which Joseph could look to help him translate the ancient writing on the plates. With Heavenly Father’s help and by using the Urim and Thummim, Joseph was able to translate the words on the gold plates into words we could understand. When the translation into English was completed, the book was printed. It was called the Book of Mormon. Hold up a Book of Mormon. Point out that this book is what Joseph translated from the gold plates. After he translated the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith returned the plates to Moroni. I might add no mention of a seer stone, and no mention of translation process other than pictures given out by the teachers

it was translated by the gift and power of God- On this we agree,the issue comes in with our depiction of how it was done and the secrecy surrounding the seer stone.

So just some gay men want to seduce young boys and now they have a venue to do it in? I didn't read that they were going to stop background checks in the boyscouts

This for starters: We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.Spencer W. Kimball, Spencer W. Kimball, "The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball," p. 303

So all gay men want to entrap young boys? I'm not sure I am understanding the thought process here.

I have read that when Martin Harris lost the 116 pages of the BOM the interpreters were also taken from Joseph, aka Urim and Thummim. This predates the Oliver Cowdery statement and lends more verification to the other accounts. We know that D&C did not come from any sort of interpretation device but from the mouth of JS. http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Seer_stones/%22Rock_in_hat%22_used_for_Book_of_Mormon_translation#cite_note-13 Sure the church picked a version but was it the correct version? because it depicts traditional translation, which we know did not happen What about the account told by Emma? do we discount that account? 2>1

Yes he didn't translate that way. I suspect that it is because we use the word "translation" when we describe the writing of the BOM that traditional translation pictures were used.

While I agree, physical evidence supports the seer stone theory and is the most verifiable as described by JS wife, and Martin Harris. We call the writing of the BOM a translation, but it was not a translation in the traditional sense of translation. It was translated "By the gift and power of God" Our depictions and what we teach in Sunday school do not/did not reflect this.

I am familiar with the article, I don;t remember this article being covered in Sunday school. While there is no date on the posting I suspect that it is fairly recent We can sugar coat it if we want. Our depictions of "translation" are not what happened.

Well we are reading the same thing and seeing it two different ways. I don't see at all how JFS says that the urim and thummin is/are the seer stone at all. He clarifies a misunderstanding about which items were on the alter of the manti temple at its dedication is all. In fact he calls is a seer stone not a urim and thummim. On a side note I am still waiting for my D&C reference.