omegaseamaster75

This is it...we will all fall short in one way or another, the question I think when we are at our final judgment will be did you try? and not just a half hearted attempt, but really try your whole life to overcome this issue, and it can be anything....the more we try the more successful we become.

MLS tracks this

Good to have but redundant if the clerk is doing his job

My post does not prove any point if a woman was making the same remarks I would jump on her for it also, there is no double standard here..

Your branch clerk is mistaken, he can update your info. If he does not know how to he needs to ask someone. You can't do it yourself you don't have access.

Lawyer up, get a prenuptial agreement outlining all of your fantasies. SO do you hate the government or women? or both? which is it?

When does God intervene? Rarely..

TFP has this one right.

Could be anyone, I have my favorites from the 70 that I would like to see promoted, hopefully they trend young

Yes I am talking about natural pressure, the pressure to not disappoint your leaders, your parents and your peers. It is natural that this pressure will be felt. The individual however needs to look inwards and decide for themselves If they believe or are they riding on the testimonies of others Nope not the parents fault for setting a good example and having expectations not at all I have expectations of my children. there will be a time however when they will have to foster their own testimonies and choose for themselves which path they want to follow The expectations should be high very high. our YM "should" prepare for mission service and they "should" grow their own testimony We should however be realistic in our expectations. Everyone has their own path to choose. I read Travelers post and like him I spent time in Leadership on my mission.....lots of baby sitting, phone calls in the middle of the night from the president to pick up elders so that they could be sent home, lots of elders that just went through the motions.......

No one has ever lied their way through an interview? well maybe not in your part of Zion 3 sons of prior bishops? plus 2 more.....and 2 who returned early....I think that says it all Like it or not there is a huge cultural pressure to serve and those who do not serve are looked down upon. I don't agree with it but that's just the way it is. Lest anyone get the wrong idea I think that all worthy males should serve a mission. By the way of the 5 and the 2 who returned early how many are active?

I AM NOT trying to persuade the OP into abandoning her testimony of this policy, in fact in an earlier post I think that I made a very reasonable suggestion to resolve her question. The subject has since shifted, maybe we should get back on track.

Yeah pretty sure the Lord will let me stew on this one. But SOMEONE knows, and it's ok is no one on this forum knows, but if they do or know of a credible source with an explanation I am interested.

I just would like a more profound explication than "it just is". I know that it is the policy stateside I would like to know why they have established that policy, and "because the prophet said so" does not cut it for me (in this instance) There must be a logical and reasonable reason for our policy to wait a year.

I get it, it's policy how dare I question it...or is it doctrine? My apologies

I agree plenty of time, but if you don't go when Your first eligible with every year that passes it becomes less and less likely that you will go Is it? Take a look at your ward stats and tell me peer pressure is not at play in these ordinations. In my ward there are 14 single men between the ages of 18-25 who have not served a mission, all but one have some sort of priesthood.....and several are Elders....

The year wait does not make any sense, in Mexico they require a civil marriage, and do not recognize the sealing in the temple as legally binding. So people get married civilly on Friday and sealed on Saturday. Someone smarter than me should explain this whole wait for a year thing to me policy.......

Get married in the temple, then have a "ceremony" afterwards for everyone to attend. Vows etc...the whole nine yards (non official of course) but it may fill the void even though it's not the real deal.....

You said yes to service because you had/have a testimony of the prophets. While it is a priesthood duty would anyone advise a young man to go if he didn't have this testimony?

I would just show up, the ward clerk "should" approach you and ask for your information so that your records can be moved, or you can contact your current ward clerk and give him your new address and he will push your records to the new ward. If you do it that way they will know you are coming.

X is the doctrinal requirement ( as outlined in D&C) and x (home teaching) is the program given to us by our leaders to fulfill X. x is not the doctrine X is. If everyone did X we wouldn't need x, but we are human and our leaders are helping us fulfill our responsibilities which is why they put together the program x. So X is not equal to x When a program put together by man is called doctrine I take issue. Is it a good program? yes it is, does it help us fulfill our duties (the doctrinal part)? yes. We throw the word doctrine around very loosely when we refer to a church instituted program as doctrine (albeit an inspired program).

Some people do

I specifically said I didn't want to discuss home teaching.....my overlying point is that we can't even agree on the small stuff.

Vort, on 09 Jun 2015 - 1:39 PM, said: So we agree ....I agree the purpose that home teaching fulfills is the doctrine. I cannot call home teaching doctrinal, because if the program did not exist we should still be fulfilling our duty as outline in D&C

Do you honestly think that when we are before the judgement seat our home teaching record will be put under a microscope? Forget I asked don't answer