omegaseamaster75
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How much European/(Spanish blood) is mixed in with then native populations of central and south America? We in N. America cannot claim exclusivity to European ancestry. Are not they then also Gentiles? In our minds we want to draw conclusions about who the Lamanites are and who they are not as we read the book of Mormon some of these conclusions enter our minds, but we simply do not know the geography of the area of the BoM, population base etc, etc. It is impossible to fit it into our reading of the book and we should hold back from making conclusions about who is and is not a Lamanite or a descendant of Lehi. The reality is that we don't know and we should not run around claiming that we do.
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I do not deny that he is 'an' ancestral father, my issue is that Native Americans, and central and south Americans are categorized as the Lamanites as a group when in fact we most certainly cannot prove that they are, and many are not.
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Average Joe said Native Americans and Hispanic Americans are Lamanites
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Of course I believe this You don't know that Moroni lived in America ( I am assuming that you mean N. America) and if you do mean N. America that is simply untrue. He certainly traveled here but we can't prove that he lived here at all other than in passing of which there is no trace. Joseph the Prophet was also a man, limited by his understanding of his world at his time.
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VORT you are so much smarter than me.... If it can't be proven that Lehi not is the father of the native American peoples, can it be proven that he is? Unlikely, so lets just stop saying that he is.
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This is my point with the genetic mishmash we cannot claim for a certainty that Lehi is the genetic father of the Native American. In theory there can be genetic traces but we can't prove it so why make the statement of fact? Why tie it to prophecy? My point is that we should focus on the doctrine of the book of Mormon and not make absurd statements that we cannot prove. I don't want to BoM to be historically flawed, quite frankly it matters little to me what can or can't be proved by science by way of the BoM. What gets my goat is when a statement is made and accepted as fact when it is no such thing. This is most dangerous of all.
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Uh yeah so basically Im right, we are unable to identify who the lamanites actually are, we most certainly cannot say that they are the native Americans, as according to VORT is that widely accepted belief. My whole point is exactly what was said inthe article we don't know. when someone gets on and says that the opening of the boarders is the fulfillment of some prophecy regarding the lamanites it's just not true because we just don't know.
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I am sure that you 100% don't know what ur talking about.
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I would hope that this is not true, how could anyone think in this day and age that Lehi is the genetic father or shares any genes with the American indian? Unless you think that Lehi got to the new world and he was all alone. I can assure you that this was not the case. There were people already here! Lots of them! Maybe some were there is some genetic line that can be traced to Lehi, but I assure it is NOT the Native American indians. This is a fallacy and geneticly disproven.
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This is not the stance of the church on the subject
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So are you saying that Lehi is the ancestral father of the native Americans?
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When asked about the Church’s official position on this matter by a writer, a Church spokesman said: As to whether these were the first inhabitants…we don't have a position on that. Our scripture does not try to account for any other people who may have lived in the New World before, during or after the days of the Jaredites and the Nephites, and we don't have any official doctrine about who the descendants of the Nephites and the Jaredites are. Many Mormons believe that American Indians are descendants of the Lamanites [a division of the Nephites], but that's not in the scripture.[2] Stewart Reid, LDS Public Relations Staff, quoted by William J. Bennetta in The Textbook Letter (March-April 1997), published by The Textbook League
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Uh he went to teach the native Americans, I am familiar with the history. There is no conclusive proof that these are/were the historical ancestors of Lamen. Despite what Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery called them
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I wouldn't say most at all. I would say some to few....
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You think that that native Americans and Hispanic Americans are the Lamanites. Really? All of them? When I watch and read the news about the boarders opening I don't read anything extra into it. wo be unto the Gentiles (americans)? you might be reading a little to much in to that one also.
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Silly prudes who should mind their own business (this is in response to the OP and my reaction to that situation)
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I agree not an appropriate song.....Maybe they just aren't paying attention to the lyrics?
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Which prophetic statements? Please be specific and explain how they relate to current events. Bad things happen all the time, and we should be prepared for them as counseled by our leaders. When these topics come up though it's always about the "end of days are just around the corner", the "US economy is going to collapse", etc, etc. I'm not saying that we should stick our heads in the sand and not have our storage and be prepared for natural disasters, have financial reserves, etc. We should have all of those things and then live our lives. "Time" is a relative thing and we do not know nor can anyone predict the second coming.
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Which personal attack and on whom would that be? Please be very specific.
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Elder L. Tom Perry suffering from terminal cancer
omegaseamaster75 replied to pam's topic in Church News and Events
Cancer is never good, but he is 92......that's a pretty good run -
I don't want to feel that we are in the final/end times. If we are so be it, but nothing happening now is any different from anything that happened 50 or 100 years ago.
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This is all very silly, there will be no 2nd civil war and WWIII who knows, but it won't be on our shores. Take up golf or something guys....jeez
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Why do we need friends if we have God to rely on?
omegaseamaster75 replied to richard7900's topic in General Discussion
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Interesting article, looks like a lot of back and forth before it became actual "policy" http://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V14N03_80.pdf
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