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On 3/2/2018 at 12:06 PM, Jane_Doe said:
Laurie, I've likewise dealt with severe PTSD/depression. I learned I can't sit back and wait for someone else to fix things/me. I needed to grab life by the horns, make the changes in life/me, and get in the drivers seat of life. Hence, my advice to you.
Laurie, I am so sorry to hear that those things have happened to you! You have been through so much! You deserve alot of love, support and understanding. I hope you can feel the peace, hope, support and get the help you need in your situation. I believe there are resources out there. I believe in prayer that will help you connect to someone who will be able to help you and understand. You will be in my prayers.
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My husband and I have read a couple books by Roger K. Young regarding some dreams and visions that he compiled about the preparation of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the destruction of the world and ushering in of The Millenium. Brother Young does note in the book of the need to use the Holy Spirit to guide the reader in how to interpret the things that he or she reads and how they may apply to them. The book has given me and my husband reminders and insight in the importance in being temporally (as in having enough food storage, fuel, other emergency supplies , medical family needs, etc) prepared and in being spiritually prepared (reading our scriptures, having daily individual prayers, family prayer and scripture study, family home evening, blessings, temple work, family history, church attendance & service, living close to the spirit, etc) Also, I recall a vision given about 9/11, as well., and other signs of the last days, that we are living in. Has anyone else read these or other books like them and would anyone like to share their insights about them? After reading about being called to go into the Rocky Mountains, it makes you wonder when that is going to happen. Anyways, we have been asked to be prepared, and need to do what we can. We have some things prepared, and need to work on other preparations. We have been counseled not to go into debt, but to do what we can. I know in our area, it seems there has been a lot of focus in the Church lately on preparation.
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Just now, jewels8 said:
If your hitting the quote button under a post to reply, that is what happens, there really is no other way to do it that makes sense, maybe they need to have better directions, I mean what is more easier then trying to reply under what you are trying to respond to? I'm not very good with doing something unless it seems obvious and if it seems obvious but doesn't work, then maybe it could be fixed or maybe they should give instructions to the technically impaired.
If I post down below it doesn't seem to help either.
Also, sometimes I put things down and they get moved around , it seems on purpose, which is not my doing
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If your hitting the quote button under a post to reply, that is what happens, there really is no other way to do it that makes sense, maybe they need to have better directions, I mean what is more easier then trying to reply under what you are trying to respond to? I'm not very good with doing something unless it seems obvious and if it seems obvious but doesn't work, then maybe it could be fixed or maybe they should give instructions to the technically impaired.
If I post down below it doesn't seem to help either.
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3 minutes ago, jewels8 said:
Pres. Benson worked for the government. I think I can understand where you are coming from. My husband and I have 4 kids, 2 with special needs. We have been married for 21 years, in the temple. We are active, good members. Our special needs kids get SSI monthly payments. We get medicaid. Our oldest has a congenital heart defect, a reflux problem, a GI tube, 11 food allergies that require us to buy some foods that are more expenisive, though some foods we can buy cheap and make some things. Yes, we do need to be self reliant as much as possible, but every situation is different. We all are at different seasons in our life, and we need to take that into account. We need not to judge others. The Proclamation on the Family states that husband and wife help each other in our roles and we accommodate each other as necessary. Sometimes changes our necessary. A bishop I saw once concerning these kinds of things told me, "but you need these programs" And he was right. How could I afford to take care of my family's medical needs, temporal needs, and even focus better on spiritual needs if we couldn't have those things in place? The programs aren't evil. They are to help, and assist as needed. The key is to be wise, prayerful and do what you can. There is no shame in using the resources that are available to help you and your family. We use HEAT assistance. WE use Food Stamps. A parent earns a living. For many years it was my husband. Temporarily, for the last few months, it is me, and that is ok. I don't work Sundays, but you pray about it, and if you really feel you need to, fast or go to the bishop or the temple about it with your spouse and talk to your spouse about it, and you decide together, as a team with the Lord, what will be the best thing for your family. And as things change, you may need to re plan as time and seasons in life change, but don't worry about what others think, if others give their advice or opinions or tell you what to do, take it with a grain of salt, remember, they may be well meaning, but you and your spouse alone are entitled to receive the inspiration you need for your family's circumstances, and you know better than anyone what they are.
One thing I failed to mention is that if you have extended family that can help, they can be a resource to, and if asking a bishop for help, its best to go to family first, as well, but there is nothing wrong with keeping your Wic and Medicaid, insurance is expensive, believe me, you'll need it, raising a child is expensive, please, keep that and WIC, you will need it. That's great your being frugal. And if you need Church assistance that's ok. You need tests you've put off, then you see, you need resource, and as life goes on, you'll need it. Are you a medical student? If that's the case, someday it will all pay off.
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On 2/26/2018 at 3:27 PM, Doorman said:
So I have been wrestling with this for a long time now. I’m a full time college student, married, first kid on the way. My wife and I love pretty frugally.
Currently we have quite a bit of money, but with the baby coming rather soon, counseling my wife and I are attending, medical tests I need to get done eventually (been putting off because of a lack of money), we will run out of money pretty quick.
I work full time currently and can’t really feasibly add more hours.
We currently have WIC and Medicaid... this is where my wrestle comes in. I have always believed strongly in self reliance. Financial difficulty has always been my biggest fear and we are creeping up to it.
So Thoughts concerning government and church aid. What is the difference? Why does government have such a negative connotation. I know Ezra Taft Bensen and many other church leaders have stated pretty clearly that we are not to take government handouts... how does this differ from church welfare?
I always feel uncomfortable when I think of our WIP and Medicaid... should we get rid of it?
Pres. Benson worked for the government. I think I can understand where you are coming from. My husband and I have 4 kids, 2 with special needs. We have been married for 21 years, in the temple. We are active, good members. Our special needs kids get SSI monthly payments. We get medicaid. Our oldest has a congenital heart defect, a reflux problem, a GI tube, 11 food allergies that require us to buy some foods that are more expenisive, though some foods we can buy cheap and make some things. Yes, we do need to be self reliant as much as possible, but every situation is different. We all are at different seasons in our life, and we need to take that into account. We need not to judge others. The Proclamation on the Family states that husband and wife help each other in our roles and we accommodate each other as necessary. Sometimes changes our necessary. A bishop I saw once concerning these kinds of things told me, "but you need these programs" And he was right. How could I afford to take care of my family's medical needs, temporal needs, and even focus better on spiritual needs if we couldn't have those things in place? The programs aren't evil. They are to help, and assist as needed. The key is to be wise, prayerful and do what you can. There is no shame in using the resources that are available to help you and your family. We use HEAT assistance. WE use Food Stamps. A parent earns a living. For many years it was my husband. Temporarily, for the last few months, it is me, and that is ok. I don't work Sundays, but you pray about it, and if you really feel you need to, fast or go to the bishop or the temple about it with your spouse and talk to your spouse about it, and you decide together, as a team with the Lord, what will be the best thing for your family. And as things change, you may need to re plan as time and seasons in life change, but don't worry about what others think, if others give their advice or opinions or tell you what to do, take it with a grain of salt, remember, they may be well meaning, but you and your spouse alone are entitled to receive the inspiration you need for your family's circumstances, and you know better than anyone what they are.
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I guess some people did not see my earlier posts of how I took back the offensive things that I had posted about what were my feelings about God ,etc at the time,and of course some don't choose to believe sincerity, but some do choose to believe my sincerity, and I do appreciate that. I know people can't see into the hearts of each other, but the Holy Ghost can. If people open up their hearts, then they may be allowed to see. Christ came into the world to teach a higher law, but much of the world was not ready for it. The Mosaic Law was taught before he came, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", even though he came and did away with that, it is still practiced so often today, and He allows it because people are not always willing to follow the higher law. Of course, we have the higher law too, some of us do, and some of us try to live it, it is a law of charity and love, where mercy is part of it, and not just justice. The City of Enoch was taken up to heaven . They lived this law. Some day, in the millenium, the City of Enoch will return again, when the earth is cleansed and ready for the Lord's 2nd Coming. The world has a great need for kindness. One of the last things Pres. Monson admonished us , before he passed away, was to be more kind. He also admonished us to read The Book of Mormon.
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6 hours ago, wenglund said:
Feminist issues can be discussed reasonably with people of opposing views. In fact, such discussions can lead to progress and change.
Such was the case with Cassie Jaye, a once staunch feminist who decided to do a expose documentary on the Men's Rights Movement, only to find her beliefs about feminism and men's rights turned upside down. (See HERE and HERE))
This is how a reasoned discussion on feminist issues looks like:
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Right. Thank you
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48 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:
A little levity to try to lighten this thread up a little. Please don't take it the wrong way.
I haven't walked in someone else's moccasins but I tried to wear my wife's boots once by accident. They did not fit. I did stretch them out a little on the top. My wife was not happy with that. Whenever I go to put on my boots now days, she always points out where MY boots are and where HER boots are. She makes sure I am never going to try to wear her boots again.
She does not feel I need to try to wear her boots to get a better understanding of her. If anything, if I feel that strongly about wearing her boots, she'll hit me over the head with them before she lets me wear them again!
I personally don't have any desire to find out in regards to the topic. I'm perfectly happy with my wife as it is.
However, I think that sometimes the commandments we are given are not given because they are easy, but because they are hard. It's not something I like to think about though.
I think of course, that you know this. Your question is rhetorical. This is not because you LIKE the idea, but you pose the question to make us think about what it is people are talking about, and whether we would find it easy or hard if it really were commanded. Personally, I do not think it will be something anyone has to worry about being commanded to do in the near future (but I am NOT a fortune teller, I do not know the future, it's just my thoughts that this will not be something people are commanded to do, at least in my lifetime). I think you ask, because you know that the answer is obviously, it would not be a piece of cake. At times, what we are asked to do in general is not easy.
A prime example that I have grown to love and appreciate. My family are not lifelong members of the church. On the otherhand, my wife's family ARE members all the way back to Joseph Smith. However, for me, I have no pioneer heritage in my lines. Gordon B. Hinckley was a prophet in our church and in the late 90s he talked about finding the importance of our Pioneer heritage. At the time, I had a hard time with that as I did not have a pioneer heritage for me. How would such a thing apply to me?
I started studying the pioneers though. They were given a trial by fire (as the phrase goes). They were to cross the plains and come to the gathering of Saints in the Rocky Mountains. Not all of them did this. Those who did had a great deal of suffering. We find that there are a great many that left family members by the wayside as they travelled. There were those who came from England, selling all they had to buy passage on ships to come. Once here, they were penniless, but where helped by the Church to build handcarts which they pushed along the plains. Almost all the companies that came had some deaths among them, a few had a LARGE amount of death among them, and at times it appeared as if the whole company would perish.
Even those who came by wagon, especially those who came at first, suffered. During the first year in Utah they had almost no food. People were subsisting on scraps and whatever they could find to make it through. The next few years were still meager years, years of great faith and suffering.
I have no doubt that they went through a very hard trial. It was absolutely not a piece of cake.
I did not have a hard trial, but finding out their sufferings and sacrifices increased my own appreciation of the pioneers. Because of them, the church exists and the gospel of the Lord continued to be broadcast to the world (and even if they died or refused, the Lord would have found a way, but because of their sacrifice his gospel was allowed to continue in that fashion to us). Because of them, they had children and from those children was my wife. I appreciate them for that as well, and also that my children can look back at these pioneers as inspirations of their own ancestors in their lives.
I think the same thing was suffered by those who had to practice polygamy in some instances. Ironically, many probably thought they had the hardest trial coming over the plains and surviving those first few years in Utah, but we know from some accounts that they found polygamy FAR harder than that. This tells me that this was a VERY hard commandment for some of them to follow.
I think many righteous people today would have great difficulty. I think we are blessed today that this is NOT a commandment that we have to follow. The prophets do not come and tell us who to marry or that we need to marry others. I am grateful that our day has it so that we can be monogamous and be fully engaged in love for our spouses.
I believe in eternal marriage and that we will be together forever with our families in the Celestial Kingdom as long as we do what the Lord wants us to do. It is something I am very grateful for. I love my wife and the idea that I can be with her forever is a very sweet feeling.
I know that you cherish your family as well, and this is why this feels so important to you. I think you have pointed out the important things in this thread, that it is our love for our families and for our spouse that is important. We should love our spouse as Adam loved Eve, or as Lehi loved Sariah, or Richard G. Scott and Jeanene (his wife, I do not believe he ever remarried).
I thought I'd just add this little bit about Richard G. Scott and his wife (she passed away 10 years before he did).
From LDS.org's richard G Scott Biography
I think his is a life that speaks of the great blessing it is that we can be together forever with the spouse that we have chosen to marry and be sealed to in this life. Eternal Marriage is a wonderful gift and one that I am extremely grateful for.
That is beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I always enjoyed Elder Scott's Conference talks.
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The rest of my quote got cut off or isn't all together, so just forget it, it doesn't make sense, and I didn't need to put it there anyway, . It didn't go in the right spot and I'm tired of this, since its going no where anyways.
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23 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said:
I'm pretty sure you don't know what hypocrisy means. It certainly isn't about refraining telling someone that their view of one of God's commandments is mistaken unless you're perfect.
I know what hyporisy means.
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Just now, jewels8 said:
or do you just want to pretend it would be a piece of cake for everyone involved because God commanded it?
Just now, jewels8 said:or do you just want to pretend it would be a piece of cake for everyone involved because God commanded it?
don't judge unless you've walked in a person's moccassins
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Just now, jewels8 said:
I mean even if you were to get married or not to both of them, don't you have any feelings that would be hard about it?
or do you just want to pretend it would be a piece of cake for everyone involved because God commanded it?
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Just now, jewels8 said:
Would you feel disgusted with yourself if you had sex with 2 women?
I mean even if you were to get married or not to both of them, don't you have any feelings that would be hard about it?
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54 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:
Whereas this is generally true, there are times when I, for example (which is probably not common) know very well that a person can't take it, but believe the issue, point, or view is egregious enough that the flaw must be pointed out for other reasons (such as sharing a alternate, reasonable, take on the matter for others who might be lurking and emotional on the fence about something, or something is simply offensive enough that the vileness of it compels someone to mount a defense regardless of the state of the offender).
That being said, as often happens, I see how your idea that approaching #2 types carefully holds a great amount of merit, and my approach was, (as suggested by others) perhaps not following the golden rule. (Sort of. I kind of hope that if I ever make such egregious statements akin "all something are something nasty" that someone would tell me what an awful thing that is to say in no uncertain terms.
Speaking of which, and on a side note (and not directed specifically at @Vort but just a thought) re: the golden rule. The implication that you only do to others what you want done to you is problematic in terms of the idea of defending your homes, family, life and liberty (per the title of liberty ideas) even unto bloodshed as commanded by God. That sort of works if one takes the view that they want to be killed if they ever try and take away another's life, family, liberty, etc. But in practice that doesn't really work. Ideally people should want to be rent by God as they have rent their clothes if they ever betray truth and right. But in reality, that is not typically the case it seems. So, once again, I think the broader principle needs to be applied -- consider others before yourself. But -- of course -- consider God first.
Would you feel disgusted with yourself if you had sex with 2 women?
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1 hour ago, jewels8 said:
These above statements are a response from Wade Englund about Christ being the Bridegroom and his reference to marriage and the Godhead
but it is something I had not thought about, I admit.
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1 minute ago, jewels8 said:
But I do find it helpful that I can pray for help in my marriage and in my family and have the influence of the Holy Ghost for my marriage and family.
1 minute ago, jewels8 said:But I do find it helpful that I can pray for help in my marriage and in my family and have the influence of the Holy Ghost for my marriage and family.
These above statements are a response from Wade Englund about Christ being the Bridegroom and his reference to marriage and the Godhead
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6 hours ago, wenglund said:
It might be of interest to note that every woman married in the temple is bound in a covenant relationship with at least two men (or four depending upon how one looks at it) , and not just one, thereby entering into a kind of polyandrous marriage.
For those who may be wondering who the other man or men are, it is Christ or the Godhead.
And, given that Christ is the bridegroom and the Church is the bride, when we are baptized, we became or become one of tens of millions of brides, and this is typically our first marriage that happens years before our second marriage in the temple.
What do you think, @jewels8?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I really don't see it quite in that way.
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4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:
It sounds as if you have a very special mission in this life with some very special children. It sounds that you were given children that need a great amount of love and that you are one that was chosen to be their mother to help them in that aspect.
I appreciate your testimony as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. It sounds as if you have a testimony of temple marriage and the great bonds between family.
I had several children myself, but I did not have the trials that you have had with your children. You must be a great women to be able to help your children in such a special way.
As this thread is about our hopes on an eternal family, I think your children probably get a special feeling knowing that they have such a special mother and that they can be with their family forever.
Thank you, we are a close family and do try to do our best.
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Just now, jewels8 said:
it really doesn't matter You either realize I wasn't trying to go on insulting anyone, and was o
I have apologized You either chose to forgive or you don't
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Just now, jewels8 said:
it really doesn't matter
I have apologized You either chose to forgive or you don't
Preparing for the Millenium
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Yes, he I think in the preface, says that these things are not church doctrine and need to be taken with a grain of salt and admits that he is not a prophet, or something to that effect. The "tent city" movement has been a concept that I do wonder about, since I have heard about there will be a "call out" and we don't know when that will be. I admit that I have been, I don't know if "intrigued" is the right word, but wondering about being ready to have enough food storage and supplies for a big semi to pick up in the middle of the night when going to Church one Sunday and being told that those with food storage need to attend a meeting. And then told to be ready to have the semi load there supplies in the middle of the night, pack their family in their van or car and follow a caravan of cars and head off into the Rocky Mountains or wherever they are supposed to meet. I was concerned when our kids seemed a bit concerned and I had to remind my husband to tone it down. 'Although the world definitely is getting more wicked, we really don't know when it will be. We need to do our best to prepare, but live life everyday and not live in fear. Our kids have forgotten pretty much about it now, as it has been months since anything has been brought up about it.
My husband has been concerned , when we first started reading it last year, that this could be happening within a year, now we are not really so sure when, though of course we know , no one really knows the time it will happen, save the Savior himself, though He did give us some signs to look for. It has been a while since I have studied up on the signs , but I sometimes write things down and see what our food storage looks like, etc.
Some of Bro. Young's things on the dreams, I think, may hold more merit then the Y2K thing did. Admittedly, that didn't pan out, and I can understand why Rob Osborn would say he was no prophet. The thing with the other things Young put in are just dreams and visions that others have had, including some of the past General Authorities, that may have more merit for us to spiritually interpret and discern prayerfully for ourselves.