Jersey Boy

The problem is that D&C 138’s rebellious spirits, those who are confined to the spirit prison, who with eyes wide-open rejected the prophets of God and the gospel of Christ,  do not fit the description of D&C 76’s terrestrial beings who were good and honorable people but were kept from the truth because they were blinded by the craftiness of men. The wicked consigned to the spirit prison in D&C 138, even those who are taught the gospel of Christ and the need for its saving ordinances while consigned to the spiritual darkness of hell, are far in status of righteousness from those who were the good and honorable people of the earth.

To further illustrate my point, let's use the analogy of two knives--one plastic and the other steal. Both knives can be sterilized--made pure, but only one of them can survive, and perhaps even thrive under the intense heat of the refiners fire.
The point being, while all will be cleansed of sin and bow their knees to Christ, not all will possess the godly temperament to bear the Fathers infinite glory and live comfortably in his presence. Only those willing and obedient to the celestial law can abide.
In other words, salvation and exaltation isn't just about becoming free from sin, and cleansing the vessel that is our soul. It is also about filling that vessel with godliness and changing the nature of the vessel to godliness.
The final judgement will find us all cleansed of sin, but receiving different degrees of resurrected glory  dependent upon the extent to which we did or didn't fill  our souls with godliness. We will be judged according to our works--ordinances as well as good deeds and thoughts.
At least that is how I currently understand it.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
 
Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Here’s something critically important to consider: A careful reading of D&C sections 19, 76, 88 and 138 will make it clear to the careful reader that, except for the sons of perdition, by the time of the final judgement all are going to obtain a remission of their sins. In addition, these sections also make it clear that suffering for one’s own sins while on earth and/or in the spirit prison cannot ever successfully atone for the sins of an individual. As the astute reader of these sections soon realizes, while one can suffer for his sins the only way to actually obtain forgiveness is to come unto Christ in faith and sincerely repent.
No amount of suffering for one’s own sins will ever bring forgiveness, for God’s punishment for sin is endless punishment. God’ punishment for sin is calculated to soften the human heart to the truth that one must either come unto Christ or forever perish in their sins. This means by the time of the final judgement that all, including Mother Teresa, will have to come unto the true Christ of the LDS Church and receive his forgiveness or perish for all eternity in their sins.
Alma the younger suffered for his own sins in exquisite agony, but it wasn’t until his heart was softened by his suffering that he came to realize he needed to either come unto Christ for forgiveness and relief or continue to suffer for his sins forever. In the end, all but the sons of perdition will come unto the true Christ in faith and thereby receive a full remission of their sins through the atonement of Christ.
Rob’s mistake is that he takes these principles a step or two too far, negating the truth that while all will eventually be forgiven that all will not have precisely the same degree of spiritual aptitude and capacity. He discovered an important truth but then put his own spin on it, while ignoring the scriptures that teach us for the forgiven there are three kingdoms of post-resurrection heavenly glory.

Here’s something critically important to consider: A careful reading of D&C sections 19, 76, 88 and 138 will make it clear to the careful reader that, except for the sons of perdition, by the time of the final judgement all are going to obtain a remission of their sins. In addition, these sections also make it clear that suffering for one’s own sins while on earth and/or in the spirit prison cannot ever successfully atone for the sins of an individual. As the astute reader of these sections soon realizes, while one can suffer for his sins the only way to actually obtain forgiveness is to come unto Christ in faith and sincerely repent.
No amount of suffering for one’s own sins will ever bring forgiveness, for God’s punishment for sin is endless punishment. God’ punishment for sin is calculated to soften the human heart to the truth that one must either come unto Christ or forever perish in their sins. This means by the time of the final judgement that all, including Mother Teresa, will have to come unto the true Christ of the LDS Church and receive his forgiveness or perish for all eternity in their sins.
Alma the younger suffered for his own sins in exquisite agony, but it wasn’t until his heart was softened by his suffering that he came to realize he needed to either come unto Christ for forgiveness and relief or continue to suffer for his sins forever. In the end, all but the sons of perdition will come unto the true Christ in faith and thereby receive a full remission of their sins through the atonement of Christ.
Rob’s mistake is that he takes these principles a step or two too far, negating the truth that while all will eventually be forgiven that all will not have precisely the same degree of spiritual aptitude and capacity. He discovered an important truth but then put his own spin on it, while ignoring the scriptures that teach us for the forgiven there are three kingdoms of post-resurrection heavenly glory.

So with this you confirm my observation that for you attempts at logic and scriptural word associations appear to trump living prophets and revelation. If you haven’t had your “salvation in the celestial kingdom only” idea confirmed by personal revelation, why do you contend for your position as if you have received such confirming revelation. Yours is a very non-LDS approach.

So with this you confirm my observation that for you attempts at logic and scriptural word associations appear to trump living prophets and revelation. If you haven’t had your “salvation in the celestial kingdom only” idea confirmed by personal revelation, why do you contend for your position as if you have received such confirming revelation. Yours is a very non-LDS approach.

The scriptures are consistent and are in accord with one another, and logically build upon one another. Part of the problem I perceive is that you fail to understand that the expression “out of the world” in D&C 132 refers to the resurrected state and not to what occurs while in the world of departed spirits after the body is laid in the grave. You also seem to fail to realize that the human body is not dead in a legal sense in the eyes of God until the saving vicarious work work performed in the temples comes to an end. Until the day temple work comes to an end, the Lord wii continue to accept spirit world conversions as if they really and actually took place while in the flesh.
Your claims that the prophet Joseph Smith didn't understand the things that were revealed to him in “the vision,” even while the eyes of his understanding were opened by the Spirit, is as presumptuous as it is ridiculous. This is what Joseph Smith himself had to say about the degree of spiritual perceptively he enjoyed while receiving the vision recorded in D&C 76:
11 We, Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, being in the Spirit on the sixteenth day of February, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-two—
12 By the power of the Spirit our eyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God— (D&C 76)
You also have a habit of quoting verses of scripture out of context, as if they stand alone without needing to be clarified by the verses immediately before and after the verse being quoted. What follows is an example of what I mean: You quote the verse that says “these are they that died with out the law,” but then fail to include the clarifying words that immediately follow...
72 Behold, these are they who died without law;
73 And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh;
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it. (D&C 76)
The manner of punctuation strongly suggests that what’s said in verse 74 applies both to those referred to in verses 72 and 73. So the text can be clarified as follows: 
“Behold, these are they who died without law; Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.”
One of the things  I personally find interesting (you say that a lot) is you appear to acknowledge the standard orthodox LDS interpretations of the scriptures I’ve been quoting were actually correct and doctrinally sound at one time but that they are no longer correct and doctrinally sound. 
Your assertion that the temple ordinances teach there is no post-resurrection telestial kingdom fails to acknowledge that the leaders of the Church have taught there is both a pre-resurrection telestial world (the fallen state) and a post-resurrection telestial world of much greater spiritual glory than the present state of this telestial earth. I noticed that you ignored the quote from Joseph Fielding Smith in which he asserted that there are two different classifications of telestial worlds, one speaking of the fallen state and the other to a heavenly kingdom of salvation and glory. Further, your assertion that a large portion of the scriptures are now inaccurate and no longer doctrinally valid puts you at odds with the leaders of the Church and with the presentation of the gospel that these same leaders currently want taught. 
Another reason why I know you are in error is because if you really have had more advanced gospel doctrines revealed to you you would have kept them to yourself as sacred mysteries meant only for you, instead of battling with those who are not yet prepared to receive the more advanced doctrinal mysteries. Yet for quite some time now you have been battling on this topic, all the while unwisely expecting others to believe gospel mysteries that have been privately revealed to you for your own private enlightenment and edification. The more you violate Alma’s solemn warning, the more suspect your “no degrees of glory” paradigm becomes.
9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. (Alma 12)
Your claim is you have a great understanding of one of the more profound gospel mysteries, but then you totally ignore the most solemn prophetic warnings that it’s not wise to reveal those putatively greater gospel mysteries to those who are not ready to receive them. And even though you appear to acknowledge many of the scriptures in the LDS canon appear to flatly contradict the greater knowledge you claim to possess, yet you put your head down plow forward in a quixotic quest to try to convince some of the saints to disbelieve their own scriptures and the interpretations the living prophets of the Church have placed upon them. Basically, you are beating your head against a brick wall in the vain hope that your logical powers of persuasion and word associations will be able to trump and supplant personal revelation.
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
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The scriptures are consistent and are in accord with one another, and logically build upon one another. Part of the problem I perceive is that you fail to understand that the expression “out of the world” in D&C 132 refers to the resurrected state and not to what occurs while in the world of departed spirits after the body is laid in the grave. You also seem to fail to realize that the human body is not dead in a legal sense in the eyes of God until the saving vicarious work work performed in the temples comes to an end. Until the day temple work comes to an end, the Lord wii continue to accept spirit world conversions as if they really and actually took place while in the flesh.
Your claims that the prophet Joseph Smith didn't understand the things that were revealed to him in “the vision,” even while the eyes of his understanding were opened by the Spirit, is as presumptuous as it is ridiculous. This is what Joseph Smith himself had to say about the degree of spiritual perceptively he enjoyed while receiving the vision recorded in D&C 76:
11 We, Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, being in the Spirit on the sixteenth day of February, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-two—
12 By the power of the Spirit our eyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God— (D&C 76)
You also have a habit of quoting verses of scripture out of context, as if they stand alone without needing to be clarified by the verses immediately before and after the verse being quoted. What follows is an example of what I mean: You quote the verse that says “these are they that died with out the law,” but then fail to include the clarifying words that immediately follow...
72 Behold, these are they who died without law;
73 And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh;
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it. (D&C 76)
The manner of punctuation strongly suggests that what’s said in verse 74 applies both to those referred to in verses 72 and 73. So the text can be clarified as follows: 
“Behold, these are they who died without law; Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.”
One of the things  I personally find interesting (you say that a lot) is you appear to acknowledge the standard orthodox LDS interpretations of the scriptures I’ve been quoting were actually correct and doctrinally sound at one time but that they are no longer correct and doctrinally sound. 
Your assertion that the temple ordinances teach there is no post-resurrection telestial kingdom fails to acknowledge that the leaders of the Church have taught there is both a pre-resurrection telestial world (the fallen state) and a post-resurrection telestial world of much greater spiritual glory than the present state of this telestial earth. I noticed that you ignored the quote from Joseph Fielding Smith in which he asserted that there are two different classifications of telestial worlds, one speaking of the fallen state and the other to a heavenly kingdom of salvation and glory. Further, your assertion that a large portion of the scriptures are now inaccurate and no longer doctrinally valid puts you at odds with the leaders of the Church and with the presentation of the gospel that these same leaders currently want taught. 
Another reason why I know you are in error is because if you really have had more advanced gospel doctrines revealed to you you would have kept them to yourself as sacred mysteries meant only for you, instead of battling with those who are not yet prepared to receive the more advanced doctrinal mysteries. Yet for quite some time now you have been battling on this topic, all the while unwisely expecting others to believe gospel mysteries that have been privately revealed to you for your own private enlightenment and edification. The more you violate Alma’s solemn warning, the more suspect your “no degrees of glory” paradigm becomes.
9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. (Alma 12)
Your claim is you have a great understanding of one of the more profound gospel mysteries, but then you totally ignore the most solemn prophetic warnings that it’s not wise to reveal those putatively greater gospel mysteries to those who are not ready to receive them. And even though you appear to acknowledge many of the scriptures in the LDS canon appear to flatly contradict the greater knowledge you claim to possess, yet you put your head down plow forward in a quixotic quest to try to convince some of the saints to disbelieve their own scriptures and the interpretations the living prophets of the Church have placed upon them. Basically, you are beating your head against a brick wall in the vain hope that your logical powers of persuasion and word associations will be able to trump and supplant personal revelation.
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
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That’s not what these passages say and it’s not at all the way the apostles and prophets have always explained these verses. The word ‘quickened’ in these verses is referring the resurrection of the body into 3 degrees of glory and another state of resurrection of no glory.
You have been on this “everyone receives the celestial glory” hobby horse for years (about 5 or 6 years ago, I encountered you on another discussion board zealously propagating the same ideas) and you seem to love your “all the saved will obtain the same degree of post-resurrection glory” so much that it seems to have become an obsession. 
In some ways you can’t be blamed because you came to correctly realize that no one can be saved without coming unto Christ and receiving a remission of their sins though the atonement (you also correctly realize that no one can be considered to be saved and forgiven and at the same time be eternally consigned to a sort of hell). The problem is that you have gone one or two steps to far by insisting that God’s every mansion of post-resurrection salvation possesses the same degree of heavenly glory and spiritual capacitation — they do not...
109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;
110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end. (D&C 76)
Just because all the saved will be forgiven and bow the knee to the Father and confess that Jesus Christ is their Savior doesn’t mean that all will the saved receive the same degree of glory.
15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.
16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever. (D&C 132)
 

I should have used the more accurate and generally used term “telestial earth” rather than the somewhat ambiguous term telestial world.
“This earth is to be renewed and brought back to the condition in which it was before it was cursed through the fall of Adam. When Adam passed out of the Garden of Eden, then the earth became a telestial world, and it is of that order today. I do not mean a telestial glory such as will be found in telestial worlds after their resurrection, but a telestial condition which has been from the days of Adam until now and will continue until Christ comes.” (Joseph Fielding Smith Doctrines of Salvation, 1:85)
There is a great difference between the fallen telestial earth and the post-resurrection telestial kingdom of heavenly glory. 
 
 

I should have used the more accurate and generally used term “telestial earth” rather than the somewhat ambiguous term telestial world.
“This earth is to be renewed and brought back to the condition in which it was before it was cursed through the fall of Adam. When Adam passed out of the Garden of Eden, then the earth became a telestial world, and it is of that order today. I do not mean a telestial glory such as will be found in telestial worlds after their resurrection, but a telestial condition which has been from the days of Adam until now and will continue until Christ comes.” (Joseph Fielding Smith Doctrines of Salvation, 1:85)
There is a great difference between the fallen telestial earth and the post-resurrection telestial kingdom of heavenly glory. 
 
 

You are incorrect. The reason why it says they are liars and whoremongers instead of saying that they were these things is because at the time they are suffering the wrath of God on the earth, and then at the time they are cast into the spirit prison, they actually still are liars and whoremongers in the present tense. It isn’t until they spend sufficient time suffering for their sins in the spirit prison, and then go on to embrace the gospel message after being humbled by their sufferings, that it can rightly be said that they were liars and whoremongers. They ARE guilty of being liars and whoremongers until their sufferings in the spirit prison come to an end. It’s only after Christ delivers them from their sufferings and remits their sins that it can rightly be said that they WERE at one time liars and whoremongers.
Please cooperate, otherwise I’m going to call it quits trying to dialogue with you. Instead of beating around the bush, please explain to me why in verse it 106 says that the individuals spoken of in verses 103 to 105  “are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, UNTIL the fulness of times”? Why is the word “until” used if they are the sons of perdition who are supposed to suffer forever?
 

Those who enter into the telestial kingdom, where their glories differ as do the stars of heaven in their magnitude, and who are innumerable as the sands of the seashore, are the ungodly, the filthy who suffer the wrath of God on the earth, who are thrust down to hell where they will be required to pay the uttermost farthing before their redemption comes. These are they who receive not the gospel of Christ and consequently could not deny the Holy Spirit while living on the earth. 
They have no part in the first resurrection and are not redeemed from the devil and his angels until the last resurrection, because of their wicked lives and their evil deeds. Nevertheless, even these are heirs of salvation, but before they are redeemed (forgiven and resurrected into a kingdom of glory ) and enter into their kingdom, they must repent of their sins, AND RECEIVE THE GOSPEL, and bow the knee, and acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Redeemer of the world (I.e.their redeemer) “Doctrines of Salvation,” Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith

It seems to me his understanding concerning those who qualify to inherit the celestial kingdom sounds a lot like what was offered as the substitute plan of salvation that was rejected in the council in heaven. In the plan of salvation that was rejected by the Father, everyone gets saved with an equal degree of glory whether or not they are worthy of inheriting a celestial glory, whether or not they can even appreciate and comprehend possessing a celestial glory, and whether or not they even have a sincere desire and the requisite faith to inherit a celestial glory. 

But not solid enough to believe that those He has called to lead his church understand His doctrine?
 
I believe you have put a lot of time and effort into drawing your conclusions. I don't believe that flow charts and word association trump a 200 year history of apostolic witness to the contrary. 
To what avail, Rob? It's not that many here haven't successfully shown you more than enough reason to see the error in your ways. I could take the time to pull up well thought out rebuttals - but I've seen you go as far to say that when a revelations doesn't match your view that even the prophet Joseph Smith himself didn't understand his own vision. Why should I spend the time to portray more to you when with a wave of your hand you can decide that, "well Nephi was wrong here and Moroni didn't understand that there because my flowchart which can't be wrong says otherwise."
Words are important and so is context. But words don't always have only one meaning or refer to the same thing. For instance, if I were to reference Celestial bodies I could be referring to human bodies resurrected to a Celestial glory or I could be talking about planets. You seem to cling to the notion that Hell can only refer to outer darkness, but it is plain to see that it also refers to spirit prison and likely can even be experienced in part in mortality.

Unfortunately, this has long been predicted. 2 Timothy 3:1-7
           "1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
            2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
            3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
            4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
            5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
            6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
            7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
Sounds like a laundry list of what it's like to go outside these days. The youth of the church are growing up in a very corrosive spiritual environment, and I'm not surprised it's having a serious effect on their missionary numbers. It's just too dang easy to turn from God these days and be applauded for doing so. I'm not going to despair, we are going to win in the end after all, but it makes me sad too see so many precious brothers and sisters falling by the wayside along the way. We, as members, really need to redouble our efforts to boldly proclaim and live the gospel, so we can help save as many of them as we can.

Apostle Jeffrey R Holland echoed the teachings of apostles James E Talmage and Bruce R McConkie concerning the recurring Gethsemanic suffering the Savior was called upon to endure while nailed to Calvary’s cross in his April 2009 General Conference talk titled “None Were With Him.” Here are a portion of his words:
Thus, of divine necessity, the supporting circle around Jesus gets smaller and smaller and smaller, giving significance to Matthew’s words: “All the disciples fled.”
Peter stayed near enough to be recognized and confronted. John stood at the foot of the cross with Jesus’s mother. Especially and always the blessed women in the Savior’s life stayed as close to Him as they could. But essentially His lonely journey back to His Father continued without comfort or companionship. Now I speak very carefully, even reverently, of what may have been the most difficult moment in all of this solitary journey to Atonement. I speak of those final moments for which Jesus must have been prepared intellectually and physically but which He may not have fully anticipated emotionally and spiritually—that concluding descent into the paralyzing despair of divine withdrawal when He cries in ultimate loneliness, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”16
The loss of mortal support He had anticipated, but apparently He had not comprehended this. Had He not said to His disciples, “Behold, the hour … is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me” and “The Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him”?17
With all the conviction of my soul I testify that He did please His Father perfectly and that a perfect Father did not forsake His Son in that hour. Indeed, it is my personal belief that in all of Christ’s mortal ministry the Father may never have been closer to His Son than in these agonizing final moments of suffering. Nevertheless, that the supreme sacrifice of His Son might be as complete as it was voluntary and solitary, the Father briefly withdrew from Jesus the comfort of His Spirit, the support of His personal presence. It was required, indeed it was central to the significance of the Atonement, that this perfect Son who had never spoken ill nor done wrong nor touched an unclean thing had to know how the rest of humankind—us, all of us—would feel when we did commit such sins. For His Atonement to be infinite and eternal, He had to feel what it was like to die not only physically but spiritually, to sense what it was like to have the divine Spirit withdraw, leaving one feeling totally, abjectly, hopelessly alone. (Jeffrey R Holland, ‘None Were With Him,’ April 2009)

The “day of this life” spoken of by Alma includes the time spirits spend in the spirit world after death of the body and will not come to an end until the time of the last resurrection and the final judgement. The reason why we know this to be true is because the Apostle Peter tells us the gospel of Christ was preached to the wicked spirits who were incarcerated in the spirit prison because they had previously rebelled against the gospel while they were living on earth during the days of Noah. Peter makes it known that God considers the spirit world conversions of formerly rebellious souls to be as valid as if they had occurred while they were dwelling on the face of the earth in the flesh. This is why Peter testifies that after the spirits of the departed dead receive the gospel in the spirit prison they are “judged according to men in the flesh” (I.e. as if they are still living in the flesh) because they have made the conscious decision to accept the gospel and live according to God’s commandments while dwelling as spirits in the realm of the departed dead. As the following verses of scripture also make perfectly clear, the gospel is meant for ALL the spirits of the departed dead, not just for those spirits who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel message while dwelling in the flesh...
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to ALL the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord (i.e. the day of this life when it is still possible to believe in the gospel of Christ and repent) and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto ALL who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, OR IN TRANSGRESSION, HAVING REJECTED THE PROPHETS (!!!).
33 These (including the above category of those who rejected the prophets while they were in the flesh) were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands... (D&C 138)
As long as there is even just one legally empowered spirit in the spirit world who is authorized to preach the gospel of Christ to the spirits of the departed dead, and as long as there are still a handful of mortals on earth who can perform authorized vicarious saving ordinances for the dead in the temples of God, in a very real legal sense — and in the eyes of God — the “day of this life” will not have come to an end. As long as the formerly rebellious spirits are endowed with the right to choose and have sufficient humility and faith to embrace the gospel — and as long as there are mortals on earth who are still able to perform and receive vicarious saving ordinances in behalf of the departed dead — “the day of this life” (I.e. the day when there is still time remaining to accept Christ and receive God’s salvation) will not have come to an end. The day of this life, meaning mortality, which includes the time we spend in the spirit world after death, will not come to end until very the last soul has been resurrected and is on way to the final judgement. Simply put, “the day of this life” refers to the fallen state. And, most assuredly, we are still in the fallen state after death.
 
 
 
 

Apostle Jeffrey R Holland echoed the teachings of apostles James E Talmage and Bruce R McConkie concerning the recurring Gethsemanic suffering the Savior was called upon to endure while nailed to Calvary’s cross in his April 2009 General Conference talk titled “None Were With Him.” Here are a portion of his words:
Thus, of divine necessity, the supporting circle around Jesus gets smaller and smaller and smaller, giving significance to Matthew’s words: “All the disciples fled.”
Peter stayed near enough to be recognized and confronted. John stood at the foot of the cross with Jesus’s mother. Especially and always the blessed women in the Savior’s life stayed as close to Him as they could. But essentially His lonely journey back to His Father continued without comfort or companionship. Now I speak very carefully, even reverently, of what may have been the most difficult moment in all of this solitary journey to Atonement. I speak of those final moments for which Jesus must have been prepared intellectually and physically but which He may not have fully anticipated emotionally and spiritually—that concluding descent into the paralyzing despair of divine withdrawal when He cries in ultimate loneliness, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”16
The loss of mortal support He had anticipated, but apparently He had not comprehended this. Had He not said to His disciples, “Behold, the hour … is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me” and “The Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him”?17
With all the conviction of my soul I testify that He did please His Father perfectly and that a perfect Father did not forsake His Son in that hour. Indeed, it is my personal belief that in all of Christ’s mortal ministry the Father may never have been closer to His Son than in these agonizing final moments of suffering. Nevertheless, that the supreme sacrifice of His Son might be as complete as it was voluntary and solitary, the Father briefly withdrew from Jesus the comfort of His Spirit, the support of His personal presence. It was required, indeed it was central to the significance of the Atonement, that this perfect Son who had never spoken ill nor done wrong nor touched an unclean thing had to know how the rest of humankind—us, all of us—would feel when we did commit such sins. For His Atonement to be infinite and eternal, He had to feel what it was like to die not only physically but spiritually, to sense what it was like to have the divine Spirit withdraw, leaving one feeling totally, abjectly, hopelessly alone. (Jeffrey R Holland, ‘None Were With Him,’ April 2009)

The scriptures repeatedly tell us that in order to successfully offer an infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world that the Lord Jesus Christ would be required to drink to the very dregs the bitter cup of God’s divine wrath, a figurative cup overflowing with divine retribution that would otherwise have to have been poured out upon humanity in the form of an endless punishment for which there is no hope of relief. Upon leaving Gethsemane and the sufferings he endured there, the Savior made it clear to Peter that he had not yet consumed the entire contents of the bitter cup of God’s wrath, and, therefore, that more suffering for sin — the dreadful experience of having to endure the exquisite agonies that can only be known by being totally cut off from the loving presence  of God — were required of him. Upon exiting the garden the Lord uttered the following solemn words...
“11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? (John 18)
If the Savior had already consumed to the dregs the bitter cup of God’s divine wrath while in Gethsemane, he wouldn’t have cried out in superhuman woe while on the cross, where he pled with Father to know why he had been cut off from his presence and forsaken while simultaneously also being called upon to endure the unspeakable physical and emotional agonies of crucifixion. If the entire contents of the bitter cup had already been entirely consumed and neutralize by Christ while in Gethsemane, it would have been unjjust and cruel for the Father to subject his son to a situation and state of mind where he was subjected to unfathomable physical, emotional and spiritual agony.
Ask yourself this question: When he first appeared to the Nephites after his resurrection, why didn’t the Savior proclaim to them that he had suffered in a garden in Jerusalem for the sins of the world instead of saying that he he had been “crucified for the sins of the world?” (3 Nephi 11) The last dregs of the bitter cup of God’s wrath for sin were consumed and neutralized by Christ as he suffered on Calvary’s cruel cross. The physical, emotional and spiritual sufferings he endured there were so great that they were enough to cause an otherwise immortal being to die, quite literally, of a broken heart.

The “day of this life” spoken of by Alma includes the time spirits spend in the spirit world after death of the body and will not come to an end until the time of the last resurrection and the final judgement. The reason why we know this to be true is because the Apostle Peter tells us the gospel of Christ was preached to the wicked spirits who were incarcerated in the spirit prison because they had previously rebelled against the gospel while they were living on earth during the days of Noah. Peter makes it known that God considers the spirit world conversions of formerly rebellious souls to be as valid as if they had occurred while they were dwelling on the face of the earth in the flesh. This is why Peter testifies that after the spirits of the departed dead receive the gospel in the spirit prison they are “judged according to men in the flesh” (I.e. as if they are still living in the flesh) because they have made the conscious decision to accept the gospel and live according to God’s commandments while dwelling as spirits in the realm of the departed dead. As the following verses of scripture also make perfectly clear, the gospel is meant for ALL the spirits of the departed dead, not just for those spirits who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel message while dwelling in the flesh...
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to ALL the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord (i.e. the day of this life when it is still possible to believe in the gospel of Christ and repent) and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto ALL who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, OR IN TRANSGRESSION, HAVING REJECTED THE PROPHETS (!!!).
33 These (including the above category of those who rejected the prophets while they were in the flesh) were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands... (D&C 138)
As long as there is even just one legally empowered spirit in the spirit world who is authorized to preach the gospel of Christ to the spirits of the departed dead, and as long as there are still a handful of mortals on earth who can perform authorized vicarious saving ordinances for the dead in the temples of God, in a very real legal sense — and in the eyes of God — the “day of this life” will not have come to an end. As long as the formerly rebellious spirits are endowed with the right to choose and have sufficient humility and faith to embrace the gospel — and as long as there are mortals on earth who are still able to perform and receive vicarious saving ordinances in behalf of the departed dead — “the day of this life” (I.e. the day when there is still time remaining to accept Christ and receive God’s salvation) will not have come to an end. The day of this life, meaning mortality, which includes the time we spend in the spirit world after death, will not come to end until very the last soul has been resurrected and is on way to the final judgement. Simply put, “the day of this life” refers to the fallen state. And, most assuredly, we are still in the fallen state after death.
 
 
 
 

The “day of this life” spoken of by Alma includes the time spirits spend in the spirit world after death of the body and will not come to an end until the time of the last resurrection and the final judgement. The reason why we know this to be true is because the Apostle Peter tells us the gospel of Christ was preached to the wicked spirits who were incarcerated in the spirit prison because they had previously rebelled against the gospel while they were living on earth during the days of Noah. Peter makes it known that God considers the spirit world conversions of formerly rebellious souls to be as valid as if they had occurred while they were dwelling on the face of the earth in the flesh. This is why Peter testifies that after the spirits of the departed dead receive the gospel in the spirit prison they are “judged according to men in the flesh” (I.e. as if they are still living in the flesh) because they have made the conscious decision to accept the gospel and live according to God’s commandments while dwelling as spirits in the realm of the departed dead. As the following verses of scripture also make perfectly clear, the gospel is meant for ALL the spirits of the departed dead, not just for those spirits who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel message while dwelling in the flesh...
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to ALL the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord (i.e. the day of this life when it is still possible to believe in the gospel of Christ and repent) and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto ALL who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, OR IN TRANSGRESSION, HAVING REJECTED THE PROPHETS (!!!).
33 These (including the above category of those who rejected the prophets while they were in the flesh) were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands... (D&C 138)
As long as there is even just one legally empowered spirit in the spirit world who is authorized to preach the gospel of Christ to the spirits of the departed dead, and as long as there are still a handful of mortals on earth who can perform authorized vicarious saving ordinances for the dead in the temples of God, in a very real legal sense — and in the eyes of God — the “day of this life” will not have come to an end. As long as the formerly rebellious spirits are endowed with the right to choose and have sufficient humility and faith to embrace the gospel — and as long as there are mortals on earth who are still able to perform and receive vicarious saving ordinances in behalf of the departed dead — “the day of this life” (I.e. the day when there is still time remaining to accept Christ and receive God’s salvation) will not have come to an end. The day of this life, meaning mortality, which includes the time we spend in the spirit world after death, will not come to end until very the last soul has been resurrected and is on way to the final judgement. Simply put, “the day of this life” refers to the fallen state. And, most assuredly, we are still in the fallen state after death.
 
 
 
 

D&C 76 and D&C 138 both make it quite clear that at the time of death the unrepentant wicked, such as the whoremongers, sorcerers, adulterers and lovers of lies spoken of in verse 103, are consigned to dwell in the spirit prison (hell). While in the spirit prison, the wicked who have not yet committed the sin unpardonable are visited by messengers of light from paradise , ministering angels who continue the work of bringing sinful souls unto Christ and repentance in the world of departed spirits. The wicked spirits in the spirit prison who come unto Christ and repent will eventually inherit a telestial GLORY in the Telestial Kingdom. D&C 138 makes this very plain...
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto all who would repentof their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets. (D&C 138)
The sins of whoremongering, sorcery, adultery and lying are not in the same category as the unpardonable sin, that ultimate sin for which there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come. Whoremongering, sorcery, adultry and lying are all forgivable for those who come unto Christ and sincerely repent.
Those who have not committed the unpardonable sin are consigned to suffer in ‘the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God’ until they are subdued through God’s tough love and learn the hard lesson that “wickedness never was happiness,” and that Christ is the only way to true joy and peace. Eventually, all but those who have committed the unpardonable sin will be delivered from the spirit prison, resurrected and given an inheritance in the Telestial Kingdom of GLORY. Remember, there is no glory of God in the realm outer darkness, but there is a measure of the God’s glory in the Telestial Kingdom. Your mistake has its origin in the fact that you fail to realize all sins, except for the unpardonable sin, are forgiveable.
 
 
 

As Wade says, you are in error because you’ve taken verse 103  out of context. I will now quote the verse in proper context and show you why you are in error:
103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
Because you did not read and analyze the verses following 103 you’ve made a mistake, thinking the inheritors of the Telestial Kingdom will enter the Telestial Kingdom as unrepentant liars, sorcerers, whoremongers and lovers & makers of lies — they will not, as you will soon realize.
104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.
As a consequence of their sinful behavior, those spoken of in verse 103 are deprived God’s blessings on earth.
105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.
As a consequence of their sinfulness, the people spoken of in verse 103 are cursed of God while dwelling on the earth.
106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;
Because of their sinfulness and failure to come unto Christ and repent, these people are cast into hell where they are punished for their sins and suffer the wrath of Almighty God UNTIL the appointed time when Christ shall have finally subdued all his enemies under his feet.
107 When he shall deliver up the kingdom, and present it unto the Father, spotless, saying: I have overcome and have trodden the wine-press alone, even the wine-press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
As a consequence of their experience of suffering for their sins in hell, the place where those unrepentant sinners who have not committed the unpardonable sin are exposed to the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God, the people spoken of in verse 103 will eventually be humbled (subdued) and in sincere repentance come unto Christ and repent of their sins. This is why this verse says Christ will be able to deliver up the kingdom to his Father spotless, for in the end all but the sons of perdition will be subdued and find forgiveness through the atoning power of Christ.
108 Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.
Because he will have fulfilled the Father’s will by successfully saving all of Father’s children, with the exception of the implacably hardened and totally unrepentant sons of perdition, Christ will be crowned as the victorious Savior of all mankind.
109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;
A very large portion of the Father’s children will, in the resurrection, inherit the Telestial Kingdom of of GLORY (remember, those who inhabit the realm of outer darkness will inherit no kingdom glory in the resurrection).
110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;
After enduring the process verse 107 calls the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God, the formerly unrepentant sinners spoken of in verse 103 will eventually believe, repent (see D&C 138) and  humbly worship God the Father, confessing by the power of the Spirit that Jesus Christ is the one who saved them.
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
Rather than ending up as resurrected sons of perdition who will dwell forever in outer darkness, the formerly unrepentant individuals spoken of in verse 103 will eventually inherit a dominion of glory in one of the Fathers many heavenly  mansions.