Colirio

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  1. Colirio

    Why did we fight a war in Afghanistan?

    Just wait. I am not sure we have even thought about the atrocities that will be committed against the people who the Taliban deem as having been loyal to the “infidels” over these last 20 years.
  2. Colirio

    Why did we fight a war in Afghanistan?

    I don’t believe anyone has tried to compare one war to another, only the method of withdrawing our troops and people. Having to send 3,000 troops BACK in order to create a safe withdrawal for our folks is leaving everyone scratching their heads. Was there so little forethought put into this withdrawal? Especially considering they had to do the same thing in Iraq when he was Vice President, the optics of this are terrible…
  3. Colirio

    Why did we fight a war in Afghanistan?

    I believe you are onto something here… A pattern begins to emerge when reading through some of his past comments. Wow.
  4. Colirio

    Why did we fight a war in Afghanistan?

    What is astonishing is that an extremely similar thing happened last time Joe Biden was in office (Vice President) during the withdrawal from Iraq and had been warned previously what would happen. "…Beginning with President Bush and continuing through the Obama administration, the White House was set on a total troop withdrawal, for political reasons," General Jim Mattis writes. "I argued strongly that any vacuum left in our wake would be filled by Sunni terrorists and Iran." Mattis also recounts a meeting in Iraq with then-Vice President Joe Biden in the run-up to the U.S. withdrawal. "He wanted our forces out of Iraq," Mattis writes. "Whatever path led there fastest, he favored. He exuded the confidence of a man whose mind was made up, perhaps even indifferent to considering the consequences were he judging the situation incorrectly." After the U.S. withdrew at the end of 2011, the Islamic State, a Sunni Muslim group, seized a large part of western and northern Iraq. President Obama reluctantly sent forces back to Iraq in 2014. "All this was predicted — and preventable," Mattis adds.
  5. Colirio

    Banned Members

    Sounds like the start of another tradition: General Authority visits a ward. *Looks at congregation.* *Looks at chalice.* *Looks back at congregation.* Whispers to bishop “It’s the rule going forward that the highest ranking authority in attendance takes the sacrament first…”
  6. Colirio

    Banned Members

    From the Handbook 18.9.4: “6. After the prayer, priesthood holders reverently pass the bread to the members. The presiding leader receives it first, after which there is no set order. Once a tray is handed to members, they may pass it to one another.”
  7. Colirio

    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    I agree with everything you said in your whole post, but wanted to use this one statement to make a point. To clarify my point, I am not arguing for or against vaccinations, but my point is simply that these issues are not as cut and dried or as definitive as we might believe. Again, WE are not the ones testing, doing the research in a lab, or gathering the data to report. Instead this information changes hands multiple times and then is parroted, slanted, skewed and even stifled by the time it reaches the public. This point you made is absolutely valid. The difficulty is in HOW to state the death with absolution. I will give a personal example to illustrate. My father’s cousin and cousin’s wife both caught COVID-19 and both went to the hospital last year. They were both in their 70’s. My father’s cousin’s wife was sent home the same day, but he was not. He passed away a few days later. He had pre-existing breathing problems. So, how should the hospital report his death? He clearly had pre-existing breathing problems. He technically passed away from those breathing problems. But would those problems have been so exacerbated to the point of death without having caught COVID? So, the hospital called it a COVID related death. (Right or wrong, this is what they did.) So, hypothetically, how would the news media cover this story? Some news agencies might report it how the hospital did and call it a COVID related death. Some might have reported that he died of breathing complications/old age. Some might have reported that half of all the people in this story (two) died of COVID. So, which hypothetical news agency reported it correctly? Well, they all did in a way. And they reported it according to the political narrative they wanted to push. And when we, the hypothetical news consumers, watch these reports we come here to discuss and even argue about it. So, what is my point? My point is that there is no definitive authority except God on this issue due to the nuances of thousands (millions?) of individual cases and circumstances. And this is what happens with every single issue that becomes political, from the “science” of climate change to the evils/virtues of capitalism. So, when I hear the numbers, see the graphs, and hear the explanations of these statistics being reported, I can’t help but roll my eyes at the “definitive” conclusions being reached based on third, fourth, and fifth hand information that is presented. Especially considering the amount of silencing/cancelling of information we are experiencing and how heavily it skews our perceptions. President Nelson - “If we are to have any hope of sifting through the myriad of voices and the philosophies of men that attack truth, we must learn to receive revelation.”
  8. Colirio

    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    Yes. The agenda is that there are unanswered questions regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine. There is a concerted effort on social media to silence any opposing discussion and the “definitive” statement NT made closely aligns with such silencing. Why would I? It was beside the point I was making. I wasn’t arguing whether or not the vaccine is effective. My POINT is that dismissing discussion as to its effectiveness is rather silly when even logic alone raises questions about it. It seems you are wanting me to have a debate here and wanting me to take the side of the anti-vaxxers. ❓ No thanks….
  9. Colirio

    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    I’m not sure where I said that. I only submitted that there are unanswered questions. This is the single statement I was referring to and why I asked the questions that I did. There are (unanswered) questions concerning it’s effectiveness. I’m not even stating that it’s not effective. I simply pointed out that logic alone raises these questions, so why can there not be any voice raised against it? Counsel, I believe you are in the wrong courtroom. (Or maybe I am?) The conspiracy theorist discussion is being had with other people, not me.
  10. Colirio

    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    Ah yes… the statistics. The graphs. More third and fourth hand info again. Go to a hospital like the ones I work in frequently? Ok. Done. I received a different story than the one you presented. Instead - - What about the graphs that show how many of those healthcare workers in hospitals that refuse to get the vaccine in the face of such “OVERWHELMING” evidence? https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210628/huge-number-of-hospital-workers So much so that they are willing to lose their careers over it in multiple states such as: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/more-than-170-houston-hospital-workers-suspended-over-refusing-vaccine.amp But these have little to do with the logical disputes that I presented. You claimed that no serious voice can be raised about the effectiveness of the vaccine. I raised logical questions for which you offered little explanation. You doubled down on mainstream statistics that didn’t specifically address my questions of logic. Instead, you actually bring out an additional question of logic where COVID deaths have significantly dropped. But then no correlation is presented as to how these numbers of deaths have dropped more significantly than the percentages in which people have been vaccinated. To be clear, I am not saying whether anyone should or should not get the vaccine. My whole point is that there ARE questions related to the “effectiveness” of the vaccine that are not being addressed. Just because you refuse to entertain them does not make them go away or that those who do should be dismissed.
  11. Colirio

    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    Huh? I would say that logic alone casts doubt on its “effectiveness.” Remember, all of the “effectiveness” that we hear is third and fourth hand at best. WE aren’t performing the experiments. WE aren’t documenting the results of testing. WE are simply relying on the information that is being passed on to the general public. Information that has, in several instances, changed direction as further testing has been performed. 1. The effectiveness of the vaccine does not mean that you won’t get COVID-19. - This first one has been stated over and over and has been proven true again and again. I have witnessed firsthand several people in my ward who have been vaccinated become sick and hospitalized with COVID-19. If the vaccine was effective in keeping the vaccinated from catching the sickness, then there would be no further need of masks or social distancing once vaccinated. 2. The symptoms will be lessened for those who get the vaccine who then catch COVID-19? - Is there a quantifiable way to judge this statement? Because we were told for a year that the mask mandate was in place because we could be asymptomatic. In other words, for one year, we had to wear masks because we could have the virus and not even know it. How can our symptoms be made less than zero? - So, if the symptoms are individualistic in their severity, how can any study “prove” that the symptoms would be lessened by having the vaccine prior to catching the sickness? Is there a quantifiable study that can judge the severity of symptoms an individual will have before vs. after a vaccination? So, if by logic alone the above statements are disputable, then by what measurement is the vaccine so effective that no serious voice can be raised against it?
  12. Colirio

    BYU Hawaii - vaccine required

    It’s a shame that as soon as something becomes political, the scientific understanding of that thing becomes obscured. Instead, it seems that many individuals only seek confirmation bias. They find research that supports what they WANT the truth to be. I’m not sure that any one person, agency, or group can definitively state the truth of COVID numbers as these statistics have been purposely obscured by both well intentioned and sinister-minded individuals from the start. I would assume that those making decisions for the CES are doing so prayerfully and with as much love and concern for the students as they can muster. I am also sure that they mistakes and err often, just like the rest of us.
  13. Colirio

    BYU Hawaii - vaccine required

    I wholeheartedly agree. For me, I keep coming back to what war we are actually fighting. What is the overall goal and what does it mean to win? I would assume, as we are members of the church, that exaltation is the goal. As priesthood holders, our goal is to get everyone else there with us. If that is the war being fought, over the souls of men and women, then things that don’t work towards that goal are either distractions at best or tools of the enemy at worst. For me, liberty and freedom from tyranny can certainly be valuable tools in alleviating the human suffering and conditions inherent from a fallen world. But those are only a means to our end goal. (And to be quite honest, it seems they have been rare throughout much of history.) So, are liberty and freedom worthy battles to fight? The Book of Mormon teaches that they are, but with the caveat that we also love our enemies and do good to them that hurt us and pray for those who despitefully use us in the process. In other words, our hostility towards those who oppose us put us in jeopardy of falling short of our main goals. So, it seems to me WHAT battles we choose to fight are less important than HOW we choose to wage them. And, as I tend to become distracted and angry when it comes to certain political issues, it is probably best that I avoid them lest I should be choosing which hill that I spiritually die on.
  14. Colirio

    BYU Hawaii - vaccine required

    And that is my point. It’s not the hill that I’m willing to die on because, quite frankly, there are far more important concerns for my family. (Not of COVID vaccines, but of whether my child should go to BYU-H! 😁) To your point: I would say that when confronted with any choice in which a policy exists, for which I refuse to bend, I am left with three options. I can fight, I can leave, or I can adhere. If I am forced into a corner where no other alternative options exist, then I either fight or adhere. All of these options have consequences that I should weigh before making an important decision. So, to circle back again, the question remains as to whether this is the hill someone wants to die on. Because, IMO, getting a vaccine most likely isn’t the real issue for those wanting to make their stand here. Rather, I would assume that they are actually desiring to stand and fight for a deeper issue. (Ie. Removal of liberties, rebelling against social norms, rebelling against religious authority, rebelling against the opposing political party, standing up for religious ideals, simply wanting to bash the church, etc.) But, perhaps it is just that simple for someone. Maybe they have determined that this is the issue of their lifetime. This is the final line in the sand and they absolutely refuse to cross. And there is just no other school that should even be considered except BYU-H. I am certainly not their Master or their Judge. It just seems to me that a re-focusing of priorities might be needed. (That is not to say that I also don’t need to reprioritize the things in my life!)
  15. Colirio

    BYU Hawaii - vaccine required

    To me, this is the crux of the issue. In matters of righteousness, there can’t really be compromise. No unclean thing can enter the Kingdom of God. God sets these boundaries and commandments and only He is Judge. In all other matters of good/better/best there will most likely need to be compromise. A happy marriage is a set of compromises. A happy family requires compromise. Politics is a set of compromises. So, to keep things in perspective, I have had to acknowledge that in social issues, whether decisions are poor, good, better, or best, there are going to need to be compromises. And in this case, ‘vaccination requirements’ is not a hill I want to die on. (Pun executed in poor taste only somewhat intended.) Because we so often think of the church schools as being intertwined with God’s doctrines, we tend to look towards the decisions they make as ways to more closely align with Him. In reality, those decisions are mostly just sets of compromises between the righteous desires of the Saints and the ideals of a fallen world.