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I appreciate your response. Is your reason for supporting conservative figures because of your husband's influence or because you personally like these people and believe they would have been or are the best people to get the job done and provide for the American people? -
I truly do not know if posting about politics is prohibited on this site. I skimmed through the rules but did not see anything prohibiting such discussions. I personally feel that politics and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can go hand in hand. I understand that separation of Church and State is constitutionally relevant but I also understand that no matter who is represented in congress, their religious views or lack there of will always play a significant factor in their role within the Government of the United States. In respect to the 2018 midterm elections, I'm really curious to which way people in the Church lean politically. Republican or Democrat, Conservative or liberal, right leaning or left leaning..... I am aware that politics can become extremely divisive. I get it. However I would hope that all members of the Church, RM or not can remain respectful if we disagree with someone else's political stance. I'll begin- I have no desire to see any republicans in the senate after November. President Trump making America Great is not my idea of "great" and whilst the only perfect "president" would be Jesus Christ, I believe America can certainly do better than a child like Donald Trump and his "republican" nominees....
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There is something I believe I am beginning to understand a bit better. A mission service is about ourselves just as much as it is about the relationship with our Lord and Savior. A period of two years of absolute cleanliness. Minimal contact with the outside world, absolutely no physical contact with other people and freedom from the clasp of our past sins. I believe it is a process of spiritual restoration. Who in this church wouldn't want to experience that? I remember many of my sins from the not too distant past, and I am still a sinner. My absolute commitment to completely stop sinning would by default be shown if I served a two year mission wouldn't it? And on top of that, we go on missions to bring others onto Christ. That experience is not something anyone in this Church can fully replicate without serving a full time mission. I completely understand the desire for anyone that takes upon the oaths and covenants of the priesthood to accept this call. After all, if a young man decided that this call is not an endeavor worth their time, would they think a Church calling in a significant role in the Church is also worth their time? The Church needs both men and women to fill the positions that are available. Men form the Bishopric and what a person like me does at this stage of my life WILL have implications for what I will do later on in my life for whatever ward I am in. Am I off on anything here?
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thank you Becca. Prayer and scripture reading. This is what will help guide me forward
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clearly you haven't been to BYU In all seriousness though, do you believe male students who get married have absolutely no means of supporting their spouses and vice versa? If you haven't experienced the culture here at this University, i get it. You are probably too ignorant about it... Also I assume "let her go on a mission" is code for "do not propose, for she might say yes which will prevent her from obtaining a mission experience" I fully understand which is why I don't plan to propose to her anytime soon. Whatever she decides will be up to her. Our marriage would likely fail anyway if I pressured her into marriage in the way I assume you are describing
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I understand this. I would have been slightly disappointed if you had said, condemnation nation should exist for members who marry each other. That is all. BTW I have something to share...
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That is good to hear. Of recent, I have been a little confused as to the accuracy of this....
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Like I said, I was curious. BYU is full of members of the church and it just so happened that earlier this year I found a hidden gem. Although being married to her was a selfish desire on my part, I dont know of any members that would condemn marriage between two members of the church.... I definitely feel that me marrying my girlfriend any time soon would be a mistake however. She is on a journey and only the Lord knows where it will lead her or who it will lead her to (may not be me) As overwatch mentioned above, only time will tell
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I understand this point. After speaking with my Bishop, it rings even more significant...
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Right I hear where you are coming from. The fact is that my *girlfriend had a lot of confusing influencing factors in her life during this period of searching for the Lord's answer. Myself, her father, her mother, BYU itself. I can't find it in me to feel any sort of resentment for her being wishy washy (as you correctly stated). These decisions are life changing and not easy. Not being with her now I believe is ultimately for the best. However I don't know how things will turn out in a few months time. This is the longest I have gone without contacting her. I don't feel like I am doing anything wrong though. Especially considering the conversation I had with my Bishop about it all.
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THere are some details about my *girlfriend's family history that I have left out because I do not feel it is appropiate to share even if this is the hub for Mormons. There are a few lines I am unwilling to cross. Perhaps they would have an impact on your responses to my situation. Perhaps they would not. Regarding her "rudeness" if you are referring to the situation where our physical interaction got bad, it was not just her. We were both rude and we recognized this shortly after and both of us went to her bishop together to confess and then I went to mine. We have made amends, however potential destruction was looming over us both recently which makes me slightly relieved it has ended, especially in the way that it did.... If that was not what you were referring to then I cannot agree on how your perception of her is that she has acted rudely. I assure you, she acted in the most respectable way possible whenever she had the chance. I too believe that I did the same which is why our break up was not full of bitterness from any side...
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Thank you MormonGator. I will continue to keep praying and read scripture 👍
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Personally I am more concerned with whether she is dong the best thing for her relationship with Christ. Whether she serves a mission or chooses not to, my influence is much more limited. Her mother's influence as always (understandably) will be there. Her father's too and their parents unfortunately disagree... (that is all I will say about that)
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agreed. My excuse isnt that it is TOO HARD to serve a mission with my current situation. More that it hasnt been a point of prayer that I have focused on and by default, I have not received any answer to whether I should serve. I will also admit that I never received an answer to whether I should marry my girlfriend. I know I will need additional prayer and scripture reading...
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I haven't reached this level you are talking about. Not even close to that level considering what my parents have done to sustain my presence in college here.... Again, your optimism far surpasses mine it is part of it. There are plenty of other small factors which add to this... It is an ongoing process. Three days is not enough and only recently has it become a priority prayer point for me. you are partly there. Clearly my non mission experience is now a significant factor in our relationship but she has also been on the fence about serving a mission. These conflating issues among our desire to raise a family together once we are finished with college is what has caused us so much inner conflict. The strong pressure by her mother is understandable. I am not ignorant to the desire for your children to serve a full time mission. And her mother has never met me. If I had never met my daughter's boyfriend and he was a convert and has not served but is of age, I'd be skeptical too concerning marriage talks.
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absolutely unconfirmed but if it were to happen it would definitely be a blessing for her. Especially if she is able to complete her mission. Like you I am not an optimist regarding this. JohnsonJones on the other hand.... Just curious, can this not be accomplished by looking for an eternal partner via Temple marriage?
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Ill be absolutely honest with you. This nation under President Trump is set on this especially if you are from a Muslim majority country. Now I am not from such a country, but I would reconsider responses like the one you made here. My Bishop also elaborated on the fact that immigration status can be a factor that prevents someone in my situation serving the Lord sooner rather than later. Not at all and I apologize for the confusion. Her mother sent her that speech and she showed it to me because the mother wanted both of us to see it in respect to myself. That is what led to our break up. That is what led to me finding this site and making a post about this. I am not looking for answers or validation or words of encouragement. Just an online discussion. After all this is one of my hobbies
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I understand and will keep this in mind. I absolutely appreciate the input from everyone that has participated in this post I made. I love communicating with other members of the church in this way. Much better than the trash that is reddit.
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I would like to see where you got this information from. I can understand that there may have been many international students that served before applying to BYU but did not complete a year or two of college before serving. If you have statistics and sources other than your own anecdote involving your son in law, then I will be more inclined to believe you.
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So he was studying at BYU before he served? If I chose to serve before coming to college then I agree that the limitations on me serving would not be as severe. For international students, this is true and also not true. and so you disagree with my Bishop.... I would appreciate Overwatch's response to this.... It is not a case of government money... I probably didnt communicate well enough that this was the whole reason for are discussion a couple of days ago that led us to split.
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So while I understand your ignorance as you are new to this topic I posted, it is not so simple. I am not American.
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Overwatch. I know the truth hurts but denying it makes me trust you even less... Have you or have you not been adamant that me and my hypothetical wife will be condemned if neither of us served?
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Drop out of college to serve a mission and fail to obtain graduating from BYU? Hmmmmm I guess I'll give this some thought..... This is EXACTLY what we were discussing right before we mutually split. Every detail you have written here is the foundation on which led us to separate a few days ago.....
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Your perception is false. You are however contradicting the message of my Bishop. I take issue with this. You also appear to have this complex that you are the ultimate truth bearer. It is slightly disturbing. Serving a mission should be a decision between me and the Lord no? It appears that you are intent on shaming me if I have any reluctant feelings about serving which admittedly I do. I find this disturbing also....
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I think it may have been answered before but I will repeat it again. I have since assumed when I started college in America that the Church cannot make adjustments to my visa to accommodate serving a full time mission for two years. From the outcome of my talk with my Bishop, it appears that he does not believe such circumstances can be met either... Graduation is my focus and up until now, honoring the woman who I truly felt could be my spouse was also my focus. It appears that the second focus has diminished some, and I believe truly that this was in the Lord's will. There are things that have convinced me that if we were to remain together over the next few months, our relationship and livelihood would crumble in its entirety. Focusing on this has given solace over the past two days.
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