LDSGator

You know me @Just_A_Guy, I don’t speak for all libertarians. But your question is dangerous one for religious people to ask. I’d be stunned if any libertarian endorsed murder. However, and since you brought it up, I’ll go there. Given that some churches WERE complicit in the holocaust or at the very least knew about it and did nothing (Google Pope Pious XII holocaust letter) I’d be far more likely to trust libertarians than churches with the life of Jews. Now, having said that, I have never seen an anti Semitic LDS person in my life. So I exclude the LDS church in what I just said. And yes, the majority of Christians are not anti Jewish. But if you ask me who I trust more with the safety of the jews-your average mainstream Christian church or Russell Nelson, it would be our prophet 100% of the time.

Ohio voters endorsed abortion rights. Latest election poll data: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

Nope. The justices that did overturn it were nominated by….republicans. Republicans wanted it decided by the states for years. There was a ton of people who voted for Trump strictly over the supreme court. They weren’t democrats. Republicans got exactly what they wanted. Charming. If someone said that about the right you’d play the victim in five seconds and talk about how vulgar it was. But you won’t admit it.

If that’s your hill I understand totally. The only word of caution I would offer is that your cause goes nowhere if you continue to lose. I’m with the WSJ 100% on this.

They made a huge mistake by overturning RvW and making it go “back to the states.” They energized the democrats better than Barack Obama did in 2008. Republicans found out that poking a bear with a stick isn’t the smartest thing to do. The bear has been mauling them lately.

There were republicans who warned everyone about this way back in 2016. No one listened.

Which is odd, given that Mormonism is (arguably) the most American faith.

Co-signed

You can also combine the two. I think I’ve “read” the entire BOM while running and working out via audiobook. I never touch weights though. Herschel Walker was right there.

I get the feeling you and I would get along really well because I also love to work out. I can totally see being obsessed it with it-I was obsessed with martial arts and hiking too about twenty years ago. Often I’d use vacation days at work to hike, go to karate six times a week, etc. I’d also run a lot too. I love your commitment, but it will have a price. You’ll begin to get so full of yourself and fascinated by your own abilities that it’ll stunt your growth in other areas. Believe me, I speak from experience. Do you think you could use your commitment and drive and commit to serving a mission? Or at least trying to serve a mission?

Oh, agree fully.

I’ve actually been thinking about that! Of course I think we should pray for one another. Like 99% of us here I think prayer works, have asked for prayers, given them-all that. So I don’t know what exactly “spiritual protection” really entails. I totally agree with your President Nelson quote. How’s this-I have great confidence in the saints to be smart enough to see false teachings. Even young people.

I’m so sorry you had to see that. Awful.

I totally agree there.

I get that. The “death by a thousand cuts thing.” I don’t fully agree but I understand where you are coming from.

I don’t think the average LDS needs the spiritual protection any of us here. Isn’t it sort of snotty and condescending of us to think they do? Most don’t fall for the :: ahem :: “teachings” of Denver Snuffer or that crazy lady who killed her kids. Same with political issues. Go to a ward in Utah and start arguing for gay marriage. You probably won’t get very far.

In my time in church I‘ve heard one speech that local leadership was worried about-and they were exactly right. The lady at a stake conference babbled about new age stuff and said other things that were flat out wrong. The SP gave a talk about it the next week. Other than that, no one has ever given a talk in church where they blaspheme from the pulpit. Never. I’d let the leadership decide when it’s time to protect the flock. It’s their job, not ours. I can’t shake the thought that “protecting the flock” really means “critiquing everyone who disagrees with me because if you don’t agree with me on everything, you must be evil.”

Okay. That has nothing at all to do with Hamas-Israel, but okay.

No. Supporters of Hamas are driven by the awful conditions they have to live in. I fully, completely understand their complaints. Until they go around murdering people.

I always thought it’s popular because it’s a good point in this case. The link you provided is making me second guess my own beliefs though. Thanks for sharing it my friend.

And I get your points 100%. I never served so I have no right whatsoever to say this. But war is horrific. @Vort was exactly right when he said Satan and his minions rejoice when we kill one another.

You can say the same thing about Hamas. I swing from “swords to plowshares I love peace” to “right wing warmonger” when Hamas beheads innocent people and drags them through the street.

There was a bishop in my former ward who was a former democratic congressmen. He was sort of a “moderate democrat” but without question the kindest and most Spirit filled man I ever met.

Lol! On a more serious note, if someone has concerns about a church and you say this to them, you basically opened the door for them to leave!

There are places even in Florida where I think it’s a shaky idea. People never really grasp how rural we are down here.