NeuroTypical

I'm surprised you didn't find this on thereIfixedit.com.

It seems a bit premature to assume the boy told the truth about his parents urging him to bring the gun. They did, however, give an 11 yr old access to a firearm, and I hope they are at least prosecuted for that. One bit of cultural significance here: We're entering an era where lockdowns and whatnot are about to become common place and boring repetitive disruptions to a daily routine. We all might as well get used to the notion.

Yes. Every time I hear about something horrible like this happening to children, I grieve for the loss of life, and also the survivors' loss of innocence.

Ah, the joys of a close group of siblings. I'm just guessing here, but sure sounds like you guys have a long track record of getting in each others business and making opinions known and hurting each other and whatnot. I'm further guessing that you're often right along side of them with such shenannigans. What can we say? No matter what various manipulations and force you all try to leverage on each other, at the end of the day, you can only control yourself and your reactions. I know you've lived life as part of a collective, but really, you have individual agency.

Hi and welcome. There's really no "expected to" here, any more than someone who gets a great job will be "expected to" accept big raises and benefits. Here's a website that explains more. What Temples Mean to Latter-day Saints - MormonTemples.org

One of the great tragedies of the last part of the 20th century, was that the Calvin and Hobbes guy didn't defend his tradema- wait - is that SUZIE? No way! Never mind. If the PantsAreOverrated guy would oblige and revive the story, that would almost makes up for two decades of dudes urinating on trucks.

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I always secretly hoped that Michael Moore would go do a "documentary" on Aragorn.Moore: "So tell us how you destroyed the ring and defeated Sauron." Aragorn: "Well, actually, Frodo did that. But I supported him the best I could, and marched my arm..." Moore: "I see. So you sent a Hobbit child, barely out of his tweens, into danger, while you were off seducing the elf maid. I understand you're related to her too." Aragorn: "I... what? Wait - I didn't marry her until after they crowned me king!" Moore: "Ah yes - which was AFTER you deposed the lawful reign of the stewards, seized control of the military, and marched them all off to invade a foreign country. Tell me, which of your 'many names' did you use to do all that?"

"Oh, that's just the way he is." It is true that these words can be used by someone failing to adequately deal with someone's horrible or evil acts. It's also true that you hear this phrase just when someone is kind of a jerk. Like polluting a facebook thread with harsh opinions, or being the argumentative guy at the dinner table. The guy you go approach when you want a straight opinion laid out containing only facts. Maybe not the best guy to approach if you're looking for comfort or a shoulder to cry on.

Then: Hi kloud.Just wanted to say a few things. * I believe your story. I believe you are feeling genuine anguish expressed in that last paragraph there. * I was not being sarcastic with my earlier advice. If you want to get people off their rear ends and very motivated to process your exit paperwork, you can threaten legal action. This isn't a mormon thing, this is a 'getting people to do something they don't want to do even though they need to do it' thing. * I stand by my earlier advice. Your pained desire to just make things all stop, and the pressure you feel to have the right answer for the people who think you are wrong - those will follow you through your life. They'll show up after this mormon thing is resolved, and you're off living the next chapter of your life. Nobody here knows the reasons you lie. I'm guessing you don't know either, and thinking about it causes you pain. Then you lay out your heart and soul for people to see, and someone doesn't believe you, and it causes even more pain. I'll hazzard an armchair psycologist guess here - because the truth is important to you. You want to be an honest person, and be seen as being one. Tell me - how did you feel after this happened? Was it tremendous relief that the truth was coming out, followed by tremendous guilt that you believed what you just said, and that you might be making life harder for your wife by saying it? I don't know the answer here. Through my life, I've tried to hold close to the notion that if I hold fast to what is true, and let the chips fall where they may, that's the best I can do. Again - I believe that until you resolve all this lying to yourelf and others stuff, it will follow you through your life. As long as you characterize choices as "which is the greater evil", you'll be stuck never having a good choice to pick. Again - I wish you and your family well.

If I were the judicial system in that area, I'd take them all into protective custody until the funeral was over. Emotions are running so high, their presence is enough to incite violence.

I haven't noticed it here in Colorado at all. The last time I was at church in Utah, Elders Quorum consisted of a prayer, then everyone taking turns reading directly from the manual.

I don't know what the right answer is. I do know Israel has a record of violent crime in schools that is almost nonexistant. This is a picture of an Israeli schoolteacher with her class:

I've thought about those things for years. The reason they're not addressed in the parable, is I don't quite have them answered in my own mind. I don't know if the man ended up getting frustrated with the museum timepiece, or if he learned how to go easier on fragile things, or just gave it back to the museum and continued to allow only sturdy and precise things into his life. It's hard to assign a moral to a story that is still developing, I guess.

There are always helpers, aren't there. Thank you LP, I hadn't thought of that until just now.

Wow kloud - that's a heck of a story. The short answer to your question, is you should threaten a lawsuit. You can find websites to help you threaten the correct way. The long answer, is you will never find peace anywhere with anything you chose to do, until you solve whatever issues you have that make you lie instead of tell the truth. I have no clue why you have such a hard time being forthright with yourself and others, choosing instead to 'take the easy way out' and lie in order to achive whatever end you think is preferable. But if I were in your shoes, that's where I would spend my time. I'm not trying to manipulate or giving veiled threats or applying pressure for you to do anything one way or the other. I've seen folks with issues like yours, solve them outside of any church, maybe you can too. And I also wish you and your wife and children well, I hope you all can find peace.

Quick question: Are you aware that only a tiny minority of locations in the U.S. require a license to own a handgun? Pretty much everywhere else, it's legal to own a firearm without a licence. 2nd Amendment and all that...

Has anyone heard what stopped the shooter? I can't find mention of it anywhere. This is the worst event of it's kind in our lifetimes, but usually when there's a mass shooting, you can at least find news sources speculating and guessing about what stopped the shooter. Did the police stop him? Did he end his own life? Why aren't we hearing something?

Based on people leaving their loaded guns within reach of their own children, on people carrying it loaded and then wondering how it accidentally went off and shoot their child (actual story).It's clear people could use more education. I believe that at least people who display this kind of negligence should have their licenses revoked. This is a timely opinion. New data was recently released from the US Consumer Product Safety commission. 2010 US Unintentional Firearms Deaths for ages 0-9: 28So tell me jerome - since more children die each year from having a TV fall on them, than from accidental gun discharge - do your beliefs about education and revoking licenses also apply to families who own televisions? Do you believe the average citizen doesn't have what it takes to safely own one? Is seems a little silly, doesn't it...

No need to wonder. Go ask the Israelis. Violent crime is nearly nonexistant in their schools - despite no shortage of people willing to strap bombs onto themselves and find innocent groups of people and make some headlines.

Could you explain why you think that? I mean, I know a lady who used to work at the conceal carry permit desk here in Colorado. We're a 'shall issue' state. She spent 8 hours a day serving average citizen after average citizen. Some fun stories - one time a group of nuns got their permits. Some scary looking extreme-hairstile-and-piercings people. Absolutely none of them ever went on to commit any violent felonies. And as a demographic group, they had lower rates of any sort of trouble with the law than non-permit holders.On what data do you base your belief, that average citizens don't have what it takes to carry concealed?

I've started a mourning thread. No debate or arguing over there, please. http://www.lds.net/forums/current-events/50801-elementary-school-shooting-mourning-thread.html

Here's a thread where we will not be guessing at causes, or arguing, or trying to fix things. This is a thread where we can mourn. I'd start, but I don't really have the words to express the grief I feel for the children whos childhood ended today. Or the parents and siblings who are now dealing with a gaping hole in their families.

Anne points out a very core difference between people. Some folks just can't imagine a sane person committing acts of evil. Others can. I'm in the latter camp. Of course there are sane people who choose to commit acts of great evil. I was bullied. I won't be harming innocent people any time soon. My wife has ptsd - she won't either. Yes, prevention is good. Early detection and action is important. Workplaces seem to be figuring this out. Something else that prevents stuff like this - allowing citizens to arm and defend themselves. Schools are gun-free zones. That means none of the good law-abiding people will be armed. I'll be watching carefully to hear who ended this guy's spree. If he didn't do it himself, and the responding police didn't do it, then who did?

No really people. Site rules. We're just deleting violations right now. We're going to start issuing infractions and closing the thread soon. Keep it civil, or don't click the post button.