NeuroTypical

I dunno. I have a very different take on this. Being intentionally cruel to your kid, tampering with their trust for a quick laugh? How easily most of those kids started crying - like they were used to that sort of behavior. You wanna see where bullies come from, take a look at the video - because it all rolls downhill.

Huh - I got 20.5. Just call me Mr. Precise but not Accurate.

I don't know if ardell is being flip or not, but there are those who carry a burden of harmful anxiety for no appropriate reason. Basically, feeling anxiety all the time about God's commandments, is sort of like a child always worried sick about doing absolutely everything her parent has ever told her to do, all the time, with no messups. Kids mess up and that's ok. Sons and daughters of God mess up too, and that's also ok.

Hi norah63 - Welcome! Yeah, I'd like to know too: are you still RLDS? If so, then welcome again! We've had RLDS/CoC folks posting here off and on over the years, but they're not particularly active right now. I've found non-"Brighamite" Mormons to be fascinating and interesting people. I personally consider y'all to be loved but distant cousins, some of whom have had a few rocky moments in the last decade or so. So tell us about yourself. Welcome again!

It can be as personal as your geneology I guess. Some folks share stuff like that broadly, some don't.I have mine in a closet because nobody else is interested. But I'd share if they were.

I have had a similar experience. Years ago, I was prompted by the spirit to go have a conversation with my boss that I did not want to have. I was pretty certain that I wasn't in the right state of mind to have the conversation, and I was also pretty sure even if I was, the boss wouldn't react well and it would all be a waste of time. But the spirit prompted me, so I went. As I got up out of my chair and started walking towards her cube, it honestly felt like someone had picked me up by my rear belt loop and was pushing me forwards. I didn't have a bad feeling either. It was more like a wiser family member giving me the push I needed to go do something that needed to be done. I had never felt anything like that before, or since. What was it? I have no clue. I'm content with Dravin's guess, I'm content with it being a genuine manifestation of the spirit or an angel or what have you. Whatever it was, it helped me do what I needed to do.

Multiple facets to an accurate answer to your question:1. Tone online often comes across as harsher than intended. Reasons include typing skills, reading skills, lack of nonverbal cues that help communicate intent. Folks tend to get more offended reading stuff than they do talking to people. In other words, a lot of it is due to people seeing harshness when it isn't intended. 2. Additionally, people are more harsh online than in real life. 3. #'s 1 and 2 apply to the human race in general, and Americans in particular. There's nothing you're experiencing here that is unique to mormons. No. Consider my screen name and avatar for a moment. When you see me in church, I'm often giggling with my daughters or sitting quietly with my wife. I occasionally am moved to tears in sacrament meeting. I can think of maybe once or twice in the last two decades that I've actually disagreed or argued with anyone in church. No. We represent the membership of the LDS church who goes online and likes to discuss and debate on anonymous forums. We're not all active, and we sure as heck aren't all orthodox. Does any of this help?

I'm not laughing at anyone's experiences. I know evil exists. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't require eighteen bucks of plastic and cardboard to show up. It's just that I fall into James Randi's camp of professionally snarky skepticism. You wanna impress me with such stories, make them repeatable and observable by an independent observer.

Or have person experience to know why its not a good toy. It is not. I have to play the skeptic card here (no pun intended). I've seen or heard nothing but stories of people bringing their own confirmation bias to the table, and getting scared by their own emotional states. My own experience with the Ouija board amounts to mainly on trying to bring my adolescent arm into as much physical contact as possible with my friend's older sister as we worked the little plastic message dealie. 14 was a fun age. (I did "Light as a feather, stiff as a board, rise body rise" too - and it worked! Still doesn't have anything to do with the supernatural.)

Yes - once briefly in Utah, once for years in Colorado. Both very good experiences. LDSFS counselors have a variety of professional degrees. They are not your bishop, don't grant absolution. You don't need to impress them or prove anything to them. They're there to help. If you don't like the one you try, try someone else until you find a good fit. Like any other humans, they have a variety of personalities and techniques and levels of knowledge.

My daughters are 10 and 7. Each day brings bursting into tears and numerous occasions of stinkeye. But there is also so much joy and giggling and gleeful screaming it's all worth it (right now). Give me a few years and ask me again - my answer may have changed.

That's a horrible thing to say in a tinfiol hat thread. What would melodramatic end-times prophecying sign-seers do without their rants?Bolding, all-caps, and red colored words can only take you so far, ya know...

They are? Who said?Certainly not the Hasbro toy company, which owns the rights to the game... Ouija Board instruction sheet People watch too many scary movies.

No, they'd get eternal death - in other words, an eternity of spiritual death - outside of God's presence. Not too much difference between us and you here, is there?

I'd suggest you go talk to your bishop first. He can help you better than we can.

Here is my understanding of what the Gospel is:* From old English "god spel" = "Good news" * The Good news, is that there is a God, and He is good and loves us. We are apart from Him, but can return to Him in Heaven if we get rid of our sin, because sin cannot dwell in the presence of God. * We cannot get rid of our sin alone, so God sent His son Jesus Christ to atone for our sins. We can avail ourselves of the atonement of Jesus Christ, be washed clean of our sins, and return to God in heaven. Everything else is just details. We mormons have a few sort of large other details, like information about different kingdoms in heaven, and how to gain exhaltation vs. just being saved. You and I differ on some details, like the nature of God (trinity vs godhead), or the eternal nature of the family.

Prejudice, as in being pre-judged? As in, someone already figures they know something negative about me without ever having met me? Oh, absolutely. More times than I can count.My wife and I have fun with it though. My wife had a friend who would also watch our pets when we traveled. After knowing her for about a year, she found out we were mormons. Her eyes got wide and she actually took a step back and said “Oh noooo…” in a low voice like she expected us to attack her or something. Then we came back from a trip, and she was telling us that one of our dogs had escaped for about an hour, but was back and safe. My wife did her best deadpan: “Well, that’s good, because it’s against our religion for you to lose our dog.” Oh man – talk about instant tension. Her fight or flight reaction almost kicked in. But in a few seconds it dawned on her that my wife was joking, and things were all better after that. I have many other similar stories, although this one is one of the funnier ones. My wife or I have quieted all conversation in a room by telling someone we're Mormon. Tons of awkward pauses. A handful of ignorant and sometimes hurtful responses about how we're cultists, or not Christians, etc. I interpret these prejudices as expressed ignorance. It's rare to find someone intentionally mis-representing my faith - they just do it because someone told them a bunch of crap. Does it alienate us? Sometimes. Just this week, my wife tried to volunteer at a homeschooling co-op, held at a local megachurch. We had read their policies, and figured that although she couldn't be a teacher, she could do something like be a hall monitor or lunch room assistant or something. She met with the volunteer coordinator, who flat out said my wife couldn't volunteer because "mormons aren't christians", and then started listing off false and stupid reasons. My wife was very hurt at being told she was not a Christian. I have not seen her that hurt in years. Too many misconceptions to name. People have wrong understandings about what we believe, or why we believe it, or our history. My wife actually encountered a real live human being, who honestly believed that Mormons have horns. In the US, I would say we are overwhelmingly conservative. In Utah, in the presidential race between Clinton, Dole, and Perot - Clinton came in third. You can find liberal or even open socialist LDS folks in America (there are several on this forum), but they are in the minority.

It sounds like you have a choice to make, about whether to marry this woman or not. If you marry her, you are accepting that she doesn't think it's inappropriate, and will be occasionally doing it. Or, you can marry her and fight with her every time she does it. And maybe wreck and end your marriage over it. Because you hoped that things would work out. I know it's only two weeks away from the big day and all, but I really suggest you either get over it, or call off the engagement. Because this won't go away. She's been open and honest with you about who she is, and what she thinks is appropriate.There's one other thing to suggest - if you haven't already. Go get a copy of the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book and read the holy livin' heck out of it. Know who you are marrying, and figure out if you should be married to her.

What, all of us?As I've already said on this thread, I wouldn't use the terms 'joy' or 'enjoyment' to describe my feelings about the matter. I am a folk who has hunted, and no, I get no rush, no natural high when doing it. I don't really see the importance in the distinction that you do. They both have beating hearts, caused to stop beating by man, before we shovel them into our mouths. Maybe not having to be there and witness the act helps folks "feel better" about eating it, but at the end of the day, something dies in order for us to eat meat. If there's a distinction to be made, I'll mention veal pens. You don't get veal pens in nature.

I don't usually recommend R rated movies, but A Beautiful Mind is a very interesting and touching movie about how a guy learns to make it through his life with a pretty hefty mental illness.

The only advice I can offer, is to do what is best for your children. They will grow up with you as their role model, you will let them know what a woman should tolerate in a marriage, and what a woman should not tolerate. Daughters will probably be like you, sons will probably marry someone like you. So let that image be your guide as you make your choices. God bless and good luck.

I wouldn't use the words 'joy' or 'enjoy' to describe what I feel the few times I've gone hunting. 'Respect' and 'stewardship' comes closer. Yep. We had 7 in one place this year. No crops, but they eat the heck out of our horse hay. They got knee deep after the coyotes and foxes dropped to almost zero a year or two ago. I'm not sure where they went, they've always been around keeping the bunnies in check.

Our ward has several avid hunters, including (a few years ago), the bishop and 1st counselor. There is an oft told joke, that on certain hunting weekends, the attendance of city wards go down, and wards in good hunting areas triple. It is literally true in my ward. We figured it out once, and yes indeed, my ward had more senior priesthood leadership at a church 50 miles away than it did in our own building. You could call several of these brethren "avid sports hunters". But as far as I know, they all process all the meat and put it to good use. There is a great respect for nature and animal life here. I see little to nothing of a desire for "wanton destruction" and the other things mentioned in Cwalds fine quotes. In fact: We just had a neighborhood bunny shoot. Neighbor and his oldest boy and I got five of them on our two properties. The moms (and older daughters) processed them, and my wife is now making things out of the hides. Yes indeed we taught the importance of a quick kill, and respect for the lives we had taken.

So again, is your core need to have a clean and orderly house, or is your core need to have a wife that keeps a clean and orderly house?If the latter, you sure? (I'm reading Victor Frankl's Man's search for meaning right now - he has lots to say about what is a real core need and what really isn't.)

"Sorry honey, Mom just doesn't clean that much. You and I are the cleaners of the family - if we're going to have a clean house, it's you and me that will get it done. You can't make people be what you want - you can just be the kind of person you want. Here's a mop - you take the bathrooms, I'll do the kitchen and living room."That's what it looks like when you've given up on trying to change your wife. Maybe someday you'll actually do it, but that day has obviously not yet come. No really - YOU HAVEN'T STOPPED TRYING TO CHANGE HER. Your entire post looks like a desperate clawing for the next thing to try on your wife. Seriously - your wife doesn't clean. She never will. You didn't marry a cleaner. The only relevant advice here, is accept it and move on. Of course your kid is picking up on the fact. Everybody knows mom doesn't clean - it's not exactly a secret. Was there any homework from that marriage builders class on how to forgive, accept, and move on? Go do it again. That's my comment on what to do, and you asked for comments on what to do. Maybe in the afterlife, when she's released from the burdens and limitations of being her, she'll clean. But the more you take offense that you're not seeing it in this life, the more time you're wasting making your marriage worse instead of better.