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Neither thats what direct revelation is for. You should believe God, this comes back to my assertion that many Christians replace God with the Bible.

I have been given a conflicting commandment by God in the last year and seen the wisdom in it. My daughter and family have been protected massively by Him requesting we not attend church for a time. Also the church has moved forward in my area greatly because of it. What am I supposed to do ignore God? I am not sure that is wise. Fact is the only reason I am LDS is because God commands it, if He commands otherwise then that is more important than any scripture that is only true because of personal revelation.

No but we had shameful incidents early on in the church when we were at the same stage the G/L community is at right now, basically seeking acceptance. During Prop 8 fact is some LDS behaved badly as well, and they created the situation, instead of simply saying we believe this because..... some vocal minority made it bad for the rest of us by engaging in verbal attacks I am not sure that is any better. Just like people on this thread accusing all gay people of high risk behaviour because they have seen a few on TV its no different to the things that caused the attacks. Fact is a lot of LDS hold views in the manner you hold them. And I wouldn't trust my children to them. The ideal is an LDS couple who were sealed in the Temple and parent the way the Prophets and their wives have, that is what the proclammation is demanding for each child. But they are rare, as a result I think a g/l couple is as good as any of the rest of us.

Its very simple. My six year old understands the concept, we do things the way we do because we are LDS, people who don't go to a church or go to a different one, do things differently. Its no different to me handing them to a non member relative. I would never hand my boys to someone without an open attitude. What if they were gay? I'd much rather they had someone to help and guide them through their teens, than to go what so many go through. I wouldn't like to be the gay child of someone I couldn't be sure would love me no matter who I was. . My bestfriend would love my kids as LDS, gay or whatever I am not convinced why would I pick someone that may reject my child over someone who would love them no matter what.

If I die and my husband dies, then yes I want a gay man and if he has one a partner to raise my children. I can think of noone I would rather do that. I can think of noone I would trust more to do it right and adore them. He even took the discussion lessons, attends family home evening occasionally, accepts the missionaries into his home, attends church for their major milestones because he has commited to this, and so he can encourage them as LDS. That is a massive sacrifice for him. Personally I don't understand a parent rejecting the person they trust most to love their children, care for them and keep them safe. I'm sorry but my friend didn't learn how to be gay from his parents, he actually comes from the most stable married couple of my teen group of kids. He is gay always has been. No more than I decided to marry a man because my mother is a lesbian. Its is something you are or you are not unless you are bisexual. My friend is the best human being I can think of, all round the attributes he teaches my children are better than any heterosexual person I can think of. I'm sorry I just don't understand why a gay couple cannot raise a healthy, happy well balanced child. To be honest I would rather have someone loving and tolerant than some of the straight people who spout about how only heterosexual couples can raise happy contented children, because its not true. Plenty of hereosexual people make lousy parents.

Well to be honest I am not sure why a happy healthy well adjusted child can't come out of a gay relationship? I can think of a lot of heterosexual couples that would be allowed to foster/adopt that no way would I let them take my kids. Whereas I know a few homosexual couples where they will produce normal well adjusted happy kids.

Guess I am just not sure what a child can get from a straight couple that are not biological to them that they can't get from a g/l couple?

would you choose an unloving/abusive heterosexual couple or a childrens home over a secure loving homosexual couple? See this is my issue my priority is my children are adored and cared for by someone they know and love. I was much better off with my lesbian mother in my teen years than my sleeping with everyone heterosexual father or the horrendous respectable christian couple i was placed in foster care with. My friend is a good man, kind, nuturing and adores my kids. He has a good secure job etc explain to me why he can't do a good job of raising my kids if he has too?

If I step outside of being LDS I actually don't see why a gay or lesbian couple can't provide a child, with love, warmth, security, education etc My friend is much more capable of doing that with my kids than most heterosexual couples. I have no doubt when we named him in our will that we have done the absolute best for our children, His morals are stirling and I know he would rather be single than make a stupid partner choice.

there is a differemce between God knowing what you are going to do and God taking the decision for you. I know if I get a blessing saying it doesn't matter what I do its because he knows I will make the right decision without guidance

We do know he had compassion as he didn't have Mary stoned, we know he had Faith because he listened to God, and we know he loved a child who was not his own, as his own and taught him a trade. He clearly schooled him in the scriptures. And when he went missing they loved Jesus enough to return and find him. As a carpenter we know he would have been strong and worked hard to take care of his family. We know he did everything God asked him to protect them/ I think Joseph is a model father.

well I got baptised as a Latter Day Saint whilst living with my Mother and her female lover. Both supported me in it. If my husband and I die my children will be adopted by a homosexual because I feel of all the people we know they will get the best all round upbringing and the most open spiritual in put

LDS.org - Ensign Article - Scriptural WitnessesBasically you keep telling people who know what Jesus THINKS now about the Bible. what he THOUGHT about the Bible before the current edition was put into place. Can you not see why quoting scripture is useless in this situation? For anything you produce I can pull a detailed one, spoken in modern English that leaves little room for interpretation to go wrong.

Thing is Soninme you have whats Jesus THOUGHT of the bible - we know what he THINKS of the BIble

1. Same should be as if three hetereosexual couples were in the same boat. Whoever came first. 2&3 In terms of AIDS etc the group least likely to be effected are lesbians so maybe the rest of us should stop donating and leave them to it:) and heterosexual couples should be charged more insurance than lesbians.

Hanging them on the line does the same thing, finish them off in the dryer for 10 minutes, then you just need a few drops of lavender oil on a damp nappy in the bottom of the bucket. The fabric softener could have been the problem it affects the absorbancy and seals in smell,

There is not much I disagree with Gwen on:) but I actually found once I had the hang of them cloth was actually less work, especially with breastfed baby poo, contains it better. The amount of saved at change time because of this more than accounted for the time to stick em in the washing machine. I decided with my third to use disposable coming out of hospital as we were also moving house. Yick that lasted all of 3 days.

All babies actually need, is to be warm, clean and fed and a car seat. I was on a very, very tight budget when my first arrived. You don't actually need a crib or a stroller, I carried mine in a cheap sling and she slept in bed next to us. There is a lot on your list because of my intial circumstances I know is unncecssary Baby led weaning and a lot on your list for the dollar store can go, and you don't need a blender, mine have all eaten off our plates from the start, I weaned them with mashed potato, mashed banana and avacado, mashed carrot etc By 6.5 months all were eating finger food off our plate. And by 10-11 months they could drink out of glasses (I gave them to play with in the bath from tiny). You can use cooking oil on bottoms:), powder isn't necessary, just clean and make sure they are properly dry afterwards. Babies don't need soap or shampoo, water is fine until they become really filthy toddlers. CLOTH NAPPIES: Fleece liners are the best option unless your baby has an allergy they keep baby nice and dry, you can use cloth wipes, no need for nappy sacks just get a wetbag. I know I got slated for this but you can get by with 3 changes of clothes for baby and child. One on, one in the wash and one to dry. I used to just whip it off and handwash quickly, it could go in the dryer. Babies don't mind going to sleep wrapped in a blanket in an emergency etc. Do you have freecycle/freegle?

I did, there is a whole host of fruits not present in your life right now which show there is a lot missing from the Bible or not so obvious that interpretation is perfect. But to answer the question about Timothy the scriptures they had then were perfect for that time. Just like what we have as LDS is perfect for us now. AS people we change evolve and move forward by rights each group of people should grow in understanding and be wiser than their previous generations Why quote anything? why not share something by the power of the Holy Ghost? Let God Himself do the talking, placing scriptures in a place where there is a chance they may be used for contention takes the Holy Ghost out of the situation and no matter how accurate your interpretation its not going to be believed because God is not behind those words. I have to have an incredibly strong prompting before I will use my scriptures in such a manner, that has happened about 3 times in 18 years. The people I know with the very best knowledge and grasp of scripture do not need to quote it to show it it is present when they speak and act. If you truly knew your Bible well if it was coursing through your veins, you would be able to use it without quoting. Unless you know it that well you run the risk of doing precisely what Revelations 20:18-19 warns against you take away or add to God's word by your own mortal interpretation, and on top of that you put other people in the position causing them to commit the same sin.

If it was in the Bible it wouldn't be something left out now would it? I'll be honest I don't care what you do with your faith is upto you, its none of my business whether you pray. If you can hold your head up everyday and pray to your Heavenly Father knowing you are doing your best that is fantastic, me too. But your faith is between him and yourself. However that does not change the fact that I believe you are lacking in what Heavenly Father wants you to do. I will not quote scripture in a debate I consider my scriptures sacred and it saddens me when I see scripture used in that manner.

He doesn't have the Aaronic Priesthood therefore your baptism is a great act of faith but it was not done by proper authority. Its a requirement for you to be throughly prepared to teach God's Word. If you have never read huge chunks of God's Word how can you expect to teach it properly? Well you did ask what was part of God's Word that was missing from the Bible.

If God has said all he has had to say in Timothy why bother with Peter and Jude? As far as I am aware you have no been baptised by proper priesthood authority, you probably don't read the Book of Mormon for half an hour a day, you haven't been sealed to your family for eternity. You haven't received the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Do you obey the Word of Wisdom? Fact is to a Latter Day Saint, you are no more prepared for doing God's work than anyone else not of our religion Within the Bible itself you see scripture building upon itself - in 2010 we have had that happen with each communication from the prophet our understanding as a church grows.

If you believe the verses are true why do you reject so much of God's Words, you can't be complete and throughly equipped for every good work without proper authority baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, the Book of Mormon and other word's He has to share with us. You have yet to show me a single scripture that even suggests God has said all He has to say to us, or that He won't add to His scriptures?

OK as it does not say that God won't/can't add to his word how does that apply to us? The words we receive today are no different. Except you have chosen to reject the majority of God's word. If by God's word you mean the Bible? Its incomplete for the simple reason the revelation stopped. What is missing is the revelations for August 2010 Concerning Pslams 19:7 do you live the Law of Moses? because that scripture is definitely talking about laws/statutes. Not relevant to a Christian to LDS discussion but it would be interesting in a discussion with a Jew and a Christian - why exactly don't you live the perfect law of Moses>? Oh yes thats right further revelation:) And does using a scripture wrongly, out of context and in a contentious atmosphere actually constitute adding and taking away from God's Word? Personally I consider my scriptures pearls and only use them rarely in a debate and never without prayer, because I take the admonition in revelation seriously. Same goes for your other scriptures, because our scriptures and prophets are from God, they don't apply on any level. Unless you are implying you know something God doesn't.

Have you had a blessing? Have you prayed? What does God have to say about it? If God says the Church isn't true then go with it, if not you have to decide what your testimoney was of, was it of God or was it of the Church?