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Slight of hand, eh, Tsuzuki?The whole spirit of the restored gospel has not... and should not be... "anti" anything. The restored gospel has been... and will continue to be... the good news... not the bad... of all things.

Whew. I'm just glad that I didn't get it.

Consider it done, already. Amen.

Somebody lost 30 lbs? I think I know where it is. My "friend" has been keeping it for many years, now. And you can have it back now. For free.

There are a ton of other books I could recommend too, but that one's a good start. This one here is a good intro to chaos magic, and it's a free download. http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/pdfs/orchaos.pdf Anyway, forget everything you read in your candle magic and love spell books. I think you forgot to say: You're getting very sleepy, pushka... sleepy... sleepy... sleepy. And don't forget you need to also use a nice pocket watch. Just keep practicing. Practice. Practice.

Heh. :)Will you teach anyone else how you do that, Shannon? Will you consider teaching all of us now? :)

Okay, I'll accept that as your answer, but how do you know that, Shannon?How do you know no one knows a lot of what God knows? How do you know what others know about anything? How do you know God well enough for you to say that no one knows a lot of what God knows? Do you know? Do you think it is possible for you to teach anything that God knows? How would you go about that, exactly? How would you teach other people they don't know a lot of what God knows to be true about anything? And WHY would you do that, exactly? Why not just teach other people what you know that God knows that they don't already know that God knows? If you know so much, enough to know God knows more, why not just teach the more you know that God knows?

... psst ... hey, Jason ... take a look, or another look, at LionHeart's thread... the one on the birth of our Savior. He suggested that Mary was dedicated and raised in the temple, much like Samuel was, long, long ago. And I, personally, believe that that story is true, because I believe I received God's assurance on that. ... not that you can't have your own ideas, Jason. ... but you might like to keep thinking a little longer. Your "there you go" comment reminded me of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", and, while humorous, that's not what I, personally, believe. :)

Would you please rephrase what you're saying? I don't understand what you mean.Thank you. :)

Telling me how to respond to you now, are you? So what happens if I don't respond that way?I am free to say whatever I want to say to you. I don't have to say what you want me to say. What makes you think that I have to respond to you in the way that you think I should respond? Did you have your pants on backwards when you said that? I was simply trying to tell you that I'm not responsible for providing any other words for you to read.I will tell you what I believe, and I will put it in writing. If that's not good enough, you can read some more words. You can compare what I say to what is written in the scriptures... and I think that would be noble, indeed. But please don't jump on my case... at any time... ever... even when you'd like me to provide some other words. It is not my responsibility to try to make you believe me. I am simply sharing what I, personally, believe. Oh, really? They have that responsiblility, do they? The responsibility?You think it is my job to try to get you to consider what I tell you that I know or believe? I won't ask why you believe that... you can believe what you want. I'm simply sharing what I know and believe. Heh, okay. And you think this affects me? How?You can do what you want with whatever I tell you. It's not my job to try to make you believe me. Okay. I feel generous. I will give you some more words you can read.I suggest that you read our (LDS) Bible Dictionary, and look up the words "Feasts" and "Sacrifices". And if that's not enough to help or make you believe me... ... you know what? ... you can believe what you want to believe.

At this point, I'm simply asking how it is possible to teach other people what God knows. If you would like to develop that idea further, I would enjoy seeing you share your thoughts. :)

Heh, you think that's bad? I think it's pretty sad the board is so dead that members are criticizing other members who are looking up years old threads to liven things up. ZZZZZZ

Okay, Crimson. I understand now. You're under the impression that all of that food that was sacrificed was eaten by the priests, and their families. Or maybe they sold it to other families. Or maybe they invited others over for dinner. And you also don't seem to believe that when they offered those sacrifices they were supposed to be thinking of our Savior. I have a different impression, from all I have read, but I'm not going to quote chapter and verse. You're a resourceful person and can do your own homework. I was simply sharing what I do believe. And yes, I have also been reading the scriptures, and other books written by prophets. Maybe if I recollected, by chapter and verse, I would try to help you out like you're asking. As it is right now it is not my responsibility to try to teach you where you can find true knowledge. And even if I showed you where you can read what I know, it wouldn't make you believe what you read. I have learned, by experience, it is better for you if you search for the true knowledge that is out there. ... that is available from all prophets of God. Okay? We simply are not "one" on this issue.

Whoa, wait a second. Hold on there a minute.It is MY pleasure for you to tell this story. And I have a testimony about that! :)

Let me try to make myself perfectly clear. I think women who ate the food sacrificed for ordinances at the temple back then participated just as much as women who ate and eat the food sacrificed for Sacrament meetings today if they did so while thinking what they should have been thinking while participating in those ordinances. ... and that is just one of the ways they participated. They also could have participated in many other ways that I am not thinking of right now. Clear enough? Do you really not agree with me, Crimson? Either way, I would still like to know you... and be the best friend to you I can be.

You rock, dude. Kudos your story, too. BOOYAH! Uhh hmm. :clears throat: Pardon me. Thank you very much for sharing this story, Lion Heart. I appreciate it, and I believe it is true. :)

Well, why answer someone if you're not sure if they're still around; especially if they've been gone for years? M. Because I wanted to. You got a problem with that, Maureen? And not only that, I resurrected a thread that is mainly about misunderstandings. I simply responded to the last post in that thread to bring back the topic... of misunderstandings. I hope you are having a good day. :)

The ones where the priests offered sacrifices, and then passed out the food for consumption.The ones that were usually accompanied by feasts and festivals as they expressed their appreciation for the food... er, I mean, the Lord. Perhaps it would help if you described all the ordinances while mentioning what was usually involved. To say she participated in the ordinances at the temple simply means she was a participant at the ordinances the priests performed at the temple. Are you saying you don't agree with that, Crimson?

What makes you think that I think that she is? ... psst ... this topic is about misunderstandings. :)

Heh, that's funny. Who came up with those definitions? That doesn't sound very rational to me. Yes, I agree, it can be... if we do base our rational thoughts on false notions.I believe we can be rational without doing that, though. And that is good rationalizing to me. There are those who will agree, and there are those who won't agree. But it doesn't mean that those who don't aren't being rational. They're simply basing their ideas on a false notion, from someone... without using their own noggin to think with... and then asking for an assurance from God. You'll never fail if you never fail to love everyone as God does love everybody, but there are those who believe they truly love other people who don't truly know what love truly is. And it's totally beyond the realm of all rational thoughts why God does truly love me, but I know it is true, even beyond all rationality, and I know because I know God told me. :)

Yes, I do understand that. And now, finally, someone has answered her. :)

Just so you know, I'm breaking your post apart into fragments so I can respond to what you are talking about. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. To someone who is not a member of our Church... which includes a lot of people who read and/or post on this forum... saying "it's in the manual", or that a person who we (LDS) sustain as a prophet of God "said so", very simply, doesn't cut the mustard.... so I try to get into the way we learn anything and then, yes, I let others govern themselves. But what is the "word" to those who don't know it?That's why some see it as being "closeminded" and "judgmental" when we don't agree with their thoughts. Rationalizations... in and of themselves... really do not cause any problems.And I define "rationalization" as "the act of using rational thoughts a person has when they simply use their own noggin instead of just accepting what other people say". But is using "rationalization" enough to help us know what is true... or what God would agree with? No... we know better. It's not enough, alone. But that doesn't mean we should STOP using rationalization... we just need to add assurances from God. And I hope you now know why some people point fingers.

Is it enough to give your dog a vaccine and a few shots and then hope that is enough to keep it living? I think that's what you're asking, but why are you asking us? It's your dog, after all. Not mine. But if I were you, and I'm not, thank God, I would also give it enough food and water. ... and enough of your love, in enough of a shelter, to help to try to keep it alive. That might not be enough, but it might be all you can do. ... and in that case I would then say it is enough. ... and ... psst ... remember ... this topic is about misunderstandings. :)

Yes, why not? Just like it would be possible for a non-LDS person to participate in a LDS Temple endowment session. M. Apples and oranges. Mary was a member of the "church" that was allowed to enter the temple in Jerusalem. And she could also participate in most of the ordinances, she just couldn't offer the sacrifices like the "priesthood".

Really? Why should it be tough to legally live here?As long as someone will obey all the laws of our land... or at least as well as most Americans do... why should it be tough for him or her to live here? What other "hoops" should they have to jump through to live here legally? And btw, don't get me started on qualifications for any job. A lot of that is hogwash, IMHO.