Could Use Some Nice Thoughts My Way :)

[Faerie]

Hidely hey folks!!

I'm 2 1/2 weeks away from my due date, scheduled to be induced the 28th, however my midwife thinks i'll go way before then..so if you have nice things to say about me, couldya maybe offer up a few prayers to the Big Man Upstairs that everything goes smoothly for me?

I'd appreciate it

for the girls who know what this means: 1.5 cm/80%effaced/-1 station...wootie!

[Blessed]

How wonderful!!! I have three kids. One I had at a USAF hospital with a midwife, one at a birthing center with a midwife and my last one at home (on purpose) delievered by my husband. All three were completely natural and truly wonderful moments.

Did it hurt? Yes. My suggestion is to just work through the pain. Breathe... breathe... breathe. It helped me to think that women for thousands of years have been doing this, so therefore, I could do it as well. You are strong. You are a woman.

I had also said repeatedly through the contractions... can even hear me saying on the camcorder... "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

I shall be praying for ya... we will want to see pics when you get settled in!!!

[Faerie]

oh..i'm getting an epi..lol...i've lived through gallstones, no way i could do labor naturally...but i really admire women who can!!!

[Guest JRodan]

Best of luck to you and yours. What a wonderful Christmas present for you. Can't think of receiving a finer little package.

[Jenda]

I went through labor naturally both times because the epidural didn't work on me.

Why are you being induced? Do you have any other kids?

[StrawberryFields]

Nick was due on the 26th of December but he was born on December 19th. He will be 18 on Sunday and it is also he grandmas' birthday.

When it was time to bring him home they gave him to me in a Christmas stocking, Christmas gifts don't get any better then a Child.

Before we left the hospital, his nurse ask me what his name was and I said Nick. She gave a little chuckle and said isn't that cute, we have a Mary down the hall!

Best of luck to you and your new baby. Yes, I would love to see a photo too!

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Jenda@Dec 16 2004, 08:40 PM

I went through labor naturally both times because the epidural didn't work on me.

Why are you being induced? Do you have any other kids?

Oh Jenda that would be awful to get the epidural and not have it work

I have had that all three times and work like a charm! I have never seen the needle but just looking at sent my husband to the floor.

[DisRuptive1]

Be careful with inducing. Certain brain defects have been known to crop up due to inducing. Or rather a large proportion of certain people with this specific brain disorder were induced or had really long labors.

[shanstress70]

How very thoughtful of you... I'm sure that's just what she wants to hear! Do you have anything to back it up?

[Faerie]

ROFL...you mean cerebal palsy? junk science...the only problems associated with induction is an increased chance of a c-section...

the induction is kind of "last resort" as i'm making fast progress every day...i have severe GERD and am having a terrible time sleeping thanks to it...also we really need the tax deduction this year, so since i am making so much progress, the midwife doesn't feel bad about inducing me a few days early...

and YIKES on the epi not working..yeeeesh...

[DisRuptive1]

http://p082.ezboard.com/ftourettesyndromen...picID=148.topic

Some things that suck out (with bolding added):

Table 9.3 lists:

Perinatal factors:

History of event sand exposures occurring during the perinatal period. Prime candidates include chronic or acute hypoxic insults (maternal smoking, placenta insufficiency, prolonged labor); maternal emotional stress during pregnancy, severe nausea and vomiting in the first trimester, and exposure of the male fetus to high levels of androgens in utero.

p. 215 "An early study reported that 51 children who had clinically identified tic disorders had sustained significantly more complications in pregnancy than did an equal number of matched control subjects. ... higher rates of preeclampsia, hypertension, gestational diabetes, use of medication during pregnancy, use of forceps, cord problems, and nonvertex presentation (Leckman, Dolnansky 1990) ... the severity of maternal life stress during pregnancy and the presence of severe nausea and/or vomiting during the first trimester were found to be significantly associated with current tic severity, accounting for nearly 50% of the variance in tic symptom severity. In addition, the severity of maternal emotional stress during the pregnancy was positively associated with tic severity and the quality of psychosocial functioning.

" ... Tourette's syndrome boys delivered by forceps were 8 times more likely to have comorbid obsessive-compulsive disorder than those not delivered by forceps ... An additional five-fold elevated risk of obsessive-compulsive disorder comorbidity was assoicated in this study with the mother's daily use of coffee (more than two cups per day), cigaretttes (more than 10 per day), and alcohol (more than two drinks each day; p<0.05). (Santangelo et al 1994).

A more recent study, using a standardized approach to the assessment of obstetrical complications, identified much higher rates of complications in those who developed TS compared to the rates for individuals in the population at large. Two particular complications are of note: 1) Severe nausea and vomiting during the first trimester ... 2) Forceps delivery, which is very common, especially in boys with TS, was associated with an increase risk for OCD in those boys. Very early psychosocial factors were also noted to increase the risk of TS or related conditions. Maternal stress during pregnancy was associated with overall tic severity and level of psychosocial functioning (12). In addition, moderate coffee drinking, cigarette smoking, and alcohol consumption were associated with an increased risk of OCD in persons with TS.

Now you might understand why I don't want to have children. Even if they are birthed perfectly, they are still genetically predisposed (it's a genetic disorder) to get what I have.

[john doe]

Maybe you forgot to include it, but I didn't see anything there about how inducing labor causes these problems you talk about. I understand about how an abnormally long or hard labor might contribute to them, but where is the data on inducing labor? I always thought inducing was mainly to help prevent the long or hard labors from occurring, am I wrong on this?

[Amillia]

Don't listen to them Faerie! I had 4 of my 5 induced! All normal, all smart, all great! Just make sure they don't push you too hard or too slow. Go it as hard as you can for speed, but as slow as necessary to make it safe for you and the baby. I had one on December 30. They delivered him in a socking to me like Strawberry.

JFYI when you have an epidural makes it take longer, unless you have what happened to me, happen to you. When I had one of my babies, the bending me over to give it to me, pushed the baby almost out. I delivered before the epidural had time to take effect. That was okay by me. :)

Hey you guys, only positive thought here!

[Faerie]

ah disruptive...perhaps you need to learn how to READ before trying to scare a very pregnant woman...

induction does not prolong labour, an epidural does...i've taken medicine throughout my pregnancy..in the beginning i had to take an insulin controller, i take prenatals (when i can remember them), i've had to experiment with a variety of anti-heartburn medications..well golly gee..i had a huuuuuge fight with 2 of my closest friends right when i found out i was pregnant, as well as putting down my beloved Maddy...i would say those were large emotional stresses..not to mention the normal hormonal imbalances that have caused me to cry and shriek and yell at my husband..i'm sure those were pretty emotional times...but does that mean my child will have tourette's? no, none of that will make a child have tourette's..it's genetic...i can't prevent a genetic disorder...

and you're kidding me right? "severe nausea and vomiting in the first trimester," so my friend who has hypermesis right now is increasing her chances of having a child w/ tourette's syndrome? well gee...i guess her first two babies should count themselves lucky, although if they start having tic's i'll let them know..oh wait..it's genetic, so the fact that a lot of women who gave birth to tourette's children HAPPENED to have severe vomiting (severe by whose standards?), that states nothing...perhaps the genetic marker of tourette's makes a woman more prone to bad morning sickness..not the other way around...

or the MILLIONS of women who get pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes..51 kids out of how many? 1000, 5000? this "study" sounds a bit skewed...but according to your study, it's really the SEVERE VOMITING IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER that accounts for 1/2 of the findings... forceps delivery accounts for the majority of the other half...i have already informed my midwife i do not wish to use forceps or a vacuum during this delivery, that i'd much rather have a csection...but again, NEITHER of these have anything to do with a genetic disorder...

"Now you might understand why I don't want to have children. Even if they are birthed perfectly, they are still genetically predisposed (it's a genetic disorder) to get what I have. " Really, thus far the only reasons you've given us for not having children is the ruin of a woman's figure and money coming out of your pocket...*rolls eyes*

i'm sorry if you have tourette's..i did a paper on the syndrome in college and i can understand that it's a very, very frustrating disorder..however, in the future..PLEASE don't try and "scare" someone by saying that if they're induced they're going to give their child a horrible disorder...because the "facts" you presented do not support or even HINT at such a thing and it's really very irresponsible on your part to try and pass that off...

you're right, tourette's is a GENETIC DISORDER....so really, what does induction have ANYTHING to do w/ a GENETIC DISORDER?

[DisRuptive1]

You're looking at it from the wrong way. I'm just saying that those children with Tourette's had parents who went through those things. Severe is more of a comparison word. Vomiting once a day could be considered severe to someone who never vomits. Severe vomiting to a pregnant woman is a whole lot more than what she would do. A better word might be abnormal vomiting.

[Faerie]

and again..WHAT does that have ANYTHING to do w/ inducing?

and i'm sorry...severe vomiting is VERY VERY common in the 1st trimester...

[Lindy]

Good luck with everything Faerie! You don't have to worry about things right now....just make sure that your bag is packed and you know what to expect when it comes time. Nothing to eat after a certain point....ice chips will be your friend!!!!!

Prayers will be sent your way......and you will be blessed with a little life to have and to love!!!!!

[DisRuptive1]

Again you fail to understand how bad, severe vomiting would be to a pregnant woman.

Most pregnant women do vomit and it can appear severe to non-pregnant people. But to pregnant women and mothers, the vomiting that an expectant mother goes through can be considered a normal part of the pregnancy. When I say severe, I mean as if another pregnant woman or woman that has already had children were to see it and say, "Oh my, she's throwing up pretty badly, much worse than the other 99% of other pregnancies."

Another thing. Inducing labor is against how the body works. You are forcing your baby to come out early, rather than just let it be. Rather than induce, why can't you just sit around the house and wait for your water to break?

In case you don't know (and you don't sound like you do, no offense), but when a woman goes into labor, it is not her body that started it, it is the fetus that starts the woman's body into labor. That is to say, that when it is time for the baby to come out, the baby will signal to the mother's body that it is ready and that the mother's body should begin to prepare to expel the fetus. Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby and not giving it time to finish growing. Sure it might be a couple days, but imagine how you feel without your last hour of sleep, having to wake up early. Man, I'd be pissed if someone woke me up early.

In my opinions, inducing is almost like an abortion, just without the killing. Also just because you are able to have kids, and just because you have already had kids and maybe screwed up a bunch of them, doesn't mean you're a good parent. And while I'm on the topic, don't spoil your children. If they are in a toy store and start crying, either give them five across the face or take whatever toy they are holding away from them, and leave the store without buying anything. A woman bought her kid an extra $20 video game today, because she wanted him to stop crying.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Dec 20 2004, 04:43 AM

Again you fail to understand how bad, severe vomiting would be to a pregnant woman.

Most pregnant women do vomit and it can appear severe to non-pregnant people. But to pregnant women and mothers, the vomiting that an expectant mother goes through can be considered a normal part of the pregnancy. When I say severe, I mean as if another pregnant woman or woman that has already had children were to see it and say, "Oh my, she's throwing up pretty badly, much worse than the other 99% of other pregnancies."

Another thing. Inducing labor is against how the body works. You are forcing your baby to come out early, rather than just let it be. Rather than induce, why can't you just sit around the house and wait for your water to break?

In case you don't know (and you don't sound like you do, no offense), but when a woman goes into labor, it is not her body that started it, it is the fetus that starts the woman's body into labor. That is to say, that when it is time for the baby to come out, the baby will signal to the mother's body that it is ready and that the mother's body should begin to prepare to expel the fetus. Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby and not giving it time to finish growing. Sure it might be a couple days, but imagine how you feel without your last hour of sleep, having to wake up early. Man, I'd be pissed if someone woke me up early.

In my opinions, inducing is almost like an abortion, just without the killing. Also just because you are able to have kids, and just because you have already had kids and maybe screwed up a bunch of them, doesn't mean you're a good parent. And while I'm on the topic, don't spoil your children. If they are in a toy store and start crying, either give them five across the face or take whatever toy they are holding away from them, and leave the store without buying anything. A woman bought her kid an extra $20 video game today, because she wanted him to stop crying.

Gee, who would have guessed that disruptive1 had such a wealth of information that he has kept hidden. B)

Oh, the parenting skills alone, should get him at least some kind of an award.

[Spencer]

Get over it disruptive, she asked for happy thought and prayers, what is your problem?

Faerie, We tried to get oliver in before the close of the year too, but that bum waited til the 2nd to decide he had to come out. There fore ive been saving all the reciepts for everything we spent on him as to present him with a final bill when he decides to move out =)

I get mine =b~

[john doe]

In my opinions, inducing is almost like an abortion, just without the killing.

So, inducing is nothing like an abortion then, since the whole purpose of aborting is about killing the baby. Inducing is about giving birth to the baby, in case you don't know, and no offense intended, you don't seem to know or want to acknowledge that fact.

Inducing is about reducing the long or hard labors, the very things you have been railing about in this thread. You can't seem to make up your mind what you think, can you? Perhaps you can point out some credible links to support your anti-induction position? Scientific proof showing that it is significantly better to not induce would give weight to your position on it.

Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby .........  And while I'm on the topic, don't spoil your children. If they are in a toy store and start crying, either give them five across the face or take whatever toy they are holding away from them, and leave the store without buying anything. A woman bought her kid an extra $20 video game today, because she wanted him to stop crying.

Sounds like you don't know what you believe on this one either. Are you saying that an unborn baby knows more about what is best than a young child or even his/her parent or doctor? Seems to me that sometimes they need to get out more and experience the world, and a couple days before they plan to do it can't be all that bad, can it? Kids need to learn to cope outside their comfort zone, and the earlier they learn, the better adjusted they will end up being.

As far as the time thing goes, my kids don't like to get up in the morning and go to school most days, but you know what? I make them get up and go anyway, because that is the time for them to do so. Sometimes you have to do things when it's time to do it, not when the kid is ready to do it. Coming out when it is time and not when they want to will help the baby understand that the world doesn't revolve around them. Usually.

How many children do you have, Dis?

Faerie, as long as the government is willing to give you a whole year's tax credit for a baby that has been here for only a few days that year, I say go for it as long as it is medically safe to do so. My first was born two weeks later than I had hoped and the extra write-off would have been nice that year. Of course, I have heard that being the first birth in the hospital of the new year can have its perks as well.

[Faerie]

ok i had to stop laughing first...

disruptive, i like you..sort of...but you really, really, really don't know what the he** you are talking about...the day you get pregnant and give birth to a healthy child on your own, i will come to YOU for advice..meanwhile, let's dissect your "argument"...

Most pregnant women do vomit and it can appear severe to non-pregnant people. But to pregnant women and mothers, the vomiting that an expectant mother goes through can be considered a normal part of the pregnancy. When I say severe, I mean as if another pregnant woman or woman that has already had children were to see it and say, "Oh my, she's throwing up pretty badly, much worse than the other 99% of other pregnancies."

First off, "severe vomiting" in the FIRST TRIMESTER is normal. SEVERE VOMITING throughout an entire pregnancy is called hypermesis, which can be a very deadly disorder. My very good friend Stacey is on her 3rd pregnancy and she has suffered hypermesis with each child. Her first two she ended up in the hospital for dehydration and had to be on bed rest for weeks at a time. I KNOW WHAT SEVERE VOMITING IS. What YOU fail to explain is: what in the world does severe vomiting have ANYTHING to do with a GENETIC disorder? And what does it have to do with INDUCING? And how exactly does INDUCING cause children to have tourette's syndrome?

Another thing. Inducing labor is against how the body works. You are forcing your baby to come out early, rather than just let it be. Rather than induce, why can't you just sit around the house and wait for your water to break?

Because it is my body, a body that is extremely large and uncomfortable at the moment. A body that has severe acid reflux and is having a horrible time sleeping. A body that's joints are SO loose that i'm popping my hips out of place everytime i get up. Therefore, my MEDICAL team and I feel that it is best for this pregnancy to end asap. How about YOU just sit around the house and wait for your water to break? Oh wait, you're a man and can't possibly understand, comprehend or even sympathize.

In case you don't know (and you don't sound like you do, no offense), but when a woman goes into labor, it is not her body that started it, it is the fetus that starts the woman's body into labor. That is to say, that when it is time for the baby to come out, the baby will signal to the mother's body that it is ready and that the mother's body should begin to prepare to expel the fetus. Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby and not giving it time to finish growing. Sure it might be a couple days, but imagine how you feel without your last hour of sleep, having to wake up early. Man, I'd be pissed if someone woke me up early.

Oh thanks for talking down to me, a woman...who is pregnant...who spent thousands of dollars to get pregnant...who went through 2 surgeries to get pregnant..who has read almost every pregnancy book on the market...thanks for "teaching" me how labor starts. I NEVER KNEW!!!!!

Your argument is flat though. By what you are saying, a woman who goes into preterm labor at 28 weeks is doing so because her baby is yanking on the umbilical cord saying "i'm done mama, let me out!!" Not so my dear, not so. The truth of the matter is, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TRIGGERS LABOR!! Medical science has not been able to figure out if it's a hormonal trigger given off by the baby, or a hormonal trigger given off by the body, or a little of both. It is ASSUMED that it is a little of both. And in case you don't know, which it sounds like you don't, labor begins when the BODY starts to change, when the cervix begins to dialate, when the uterus starts to contract...not when the baby presses a magic button and says "time's up!!"

http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/3104.html

http://www.parenting.com/parenting/pregnan...,647226,00.html

What triggers labor is still a mystery. While initial uterine contractions efface (or soften) and dilate the cervix a bit, these contractions can take weeks and don't actually bring on labor. More complex factors are responsible, including an exchange of hormonal signals between you and your baby.

Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby and not giving it time to finish growing. Sure it might be a couple days, but imagine how you feel without your last hour of sleep, having to wake up early. Man, I'd be pissed if someone woke me up early.

Truth be told dearest, if the baby had its way he'd stay in for another 3 months. Read "Happiest Baby on the Block." It's a fascinating look into the theory that children are born 3 months too soon. But the reason they are not is because they would get STUCK, because it's weird..but kids..they keep GROWING AND GROWING and if a baby is too large because he has stayed in the womb too long (oh say, after a woman's been sitting around for weeks waiting for her water to break) the baby's head becomes too large, he gets stuck in the birth canal and a c-section is needed. That's kind of why NO DOCTOR in today's time will allow a woman to go 2 weeks past her due date. It's dangerous for both her and the baby. So an induction is performed. And guess what genius, this child that is SO smart that he knows when it's time to come out, is going to be robbing me of sleep for the next year!! If I kick him out before he gets one last deep snooze, oh well..he won't know the difference, but according to you he's pissed...it won't be the first time and it certainly won't be the last. That's part of being a parent, making decisions for your children, even when it's contrary to the child's will. Which leads us to the next part...

In my opinions, inducing is almost like an abortion, just without the killing.

*dies laughing* I think John Doe already summed this up. But I really, really had a good laugh over this one. The two are NOTHING alike as inducing brings a wonderful life into this world, into a family that is so incredibly anxious and happy to meet their son...abortion is the opposite..so they can NOT be "almost like" each other in any form, shape, or fashion...

Also just because you are able to have kids, and just because you have already had kids and maybe screwed up a bunch of them, doesn't mean you're a good parent.

Just like....because you've NEVER HAD KIDS and DON'T WANT KIDS doesn't mean you are any authority to HAND OUT ADVICE to parents??

And while I'm on the topic, don't spoil your children. If they are in a toy store and start crying, either give them five across the face or take whatever toy they are holding away from them, and leave the store without buying anything. A woman bought her kid an extra $20 video game today, because she wanted him to stop crying.

You ARE getting snipped? Right? I think we've covered this in the past...you are the LAST PERSON in the entire world I would go to for parenting advice. You don't slap a kid cuz they're crying, you NEVER EVER EVER EVER slap a child. As far as giving into your child's demands in a toy store, sometimes it's worth the $20, that does NOT make one a bad parent, it makes them a smart parent...

Please, stop trying to give me advice because you are making me laugh way too hard, all the while you are making yourself look foolish. Grow a vagina and a uterus and we'll talk hon. Buh bye now.

Spence: yes, JT has been rooting for him to come on the 2nd..alas, I have foiled her plans!! MWA HA HA HA!! And I thought every parent saved their receipts for graduation day?! lol!!

Lindy: thank you very much :) I'm pretty aware of what to expect, just very ready for him to be here. :)

John Doe: the tax credit is by no means the main reason I choose for an early induction, but it's a very nice bonus!!! thanks :)

[Spencer]

Just his bill for staying at casa de la horn all these years =)

[Faerie]

do you deduct for cuteness? i saw the "under the bed" pictures and i have to say...i think i could take off a month's rent for that alone!

[Spencer]

Ha, we'll have to work those out at the time i present him with the bill =b guess Ill have to start logging all the diapers I changed to, as a counter to these offers of cuteness =b