Jim108 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 I'm not mocking it. I'm pointing out that it serves no purpose other than to confuse the reader, John."I'm not mocking it"Yes, you are mocking it and me. I can remember a person from history that was also mocked by guys like you. They never do get it. By the way when I post, do you not see a big avatar on the top left corner that has my name next to it. I am sorry you are so confused. God Bless, Jim Quote
prospectmom Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Wow JIm not taken as givin...... you are reading more into it than is there........ You are offended and thatI am sure was not hte intention..... also we like to crack up abit here and its all in good fun... I am sad you were offended..... Peace Quote
JohnnyRudick Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "I'm not mocking it"Yes, you are mocking it and me. I can remember a person from history that was also mocked by guys like you. They never do get it. By the way when I post, do you not see a big avatar on the top left corner that has my name next to it. I am sorry you are so confused. God Bless, JimGuess not:eek:, Sorry Jim:bawl:, Johnny:DReally, We love ya Jim.No mocking intended.Bro. Rudick Quote
john doe Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "I'm not mocking it"Yes, you are mocking it and me. I can remember a person from history that was also mocked by guys like you. They never do get it. By the way when I post, do you not see a big avatar on the top left corner that has my name next to it. I am sorry you are so confused. God Bless, Jim Exactly. Which makes it all the more silly that you would insist on sticking your name on the end of a one-sentence post. All a person has to do is look up slightly and see who you are. And please quit calling me Jim, my name is John. Sorry Jim, but when you keep playing the straight man I just can't resist the temptation to go with it. Quote
Jim108 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Please forgive me as I have already forgiven you. God bless, Jim Quote
john doe Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Hey Jim, let's just let it go. It's obvious you don't have a sense of humor so I'll quit teasing you about your inability to adjust your behavior to be less distracting to the readers of this forum. Quote
Jim108 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Hey Jim, let's just let it go. It's obvious you don't have a sense of humor so I'll quit teasing you about your inability to adjust your behavior to be less distracting to the readers of this forum.You have a great way of saying something, I love you man, Jim Quote
Wingnut Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 "I'm not mocking it"Yes, you are mocking it and me. I can remember a person from history that was also mocked by guys like you. They never do get it. By the way when I post, do you not see a big avatar on the top left corner that has my name next to it. I am sorry you are so confused. God Bless, JimGuys like him? Simmer down, man! He was playing, that's all. Quote
Faded Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Then why does the LDS church goes against that teaching??? For starters this is a pretty idiotic way to make a first post on another religions forum. Showing up and saying, "You people are screwed in the head, what's wrong with you people?" is a sure-fire way to get ignored and completely discredit your point of view. Everyone will assume that you have no purpose beyond bashing our religion and picking fights. Had you come to this site and asked sincere questions, your credibility would improve. We do not disagree with the notion that "God is one" and that "there is One God," we simply understand it differently that you do -- and I'm assuming that you believe in the Trinity. There are a broad variety of beliefs about God the Father, God Jesus Christ and God the Holy Ghost. What makes you so sure that your definition is the correct one? Quote
Faded Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 The Word. The man has brought to you the attention of Gods Word. Very little did he say otherwise. ...and yet you kill him in your thoughts. You are better than this. Love each other and listen to each other. I know, I know.... I am a troll. God Bless, Jim Jim, I respect your understanding of God just fine. But every single scripture quoted can be interpreted both ways. The Godhead and the Trinity are both fully Biblical, yet neither is explicitly explained in the Bible. You also have Sabellianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Binitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Unitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Arianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a good bit of wiggle room for other theologies on the matter. The Bible seems to leave room for all of these ideologies (though I admit that Arianism is stretching things a bit.) The Original Poster of this thread went about making their point in a pretty stupid way: Skipping the hello's and charging right into, "I'm right and your wrong." That's not good manners no matter who you are. I never considered you a troll Jim. Just take into consideration who and what you are defending here. In my mind, it's not a matter of a calm discussion about our different beliefs about God. It's some complete stranger showing up and without so much as an introduction, he spouts off about how wrong the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is. Everyone here can quote a bunch of Scriptures to counter-attack, but to what end? Nobody is going to convince anybody else by turning the Word of God against itself, and I don't think God appreciates such behavior. The OP is not approaching the "discussion" in an intelligent and polite manner, so it should be no surprise that nobody takes him seriously.God Bless, Faded. Quote
Justice Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 The Book of Mormon has some very good quotes that you can add to your original post.1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.2 Nephi 31: 21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the away; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. Mosiah 15: 4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. 5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people. Alma 11: 44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. Mormon 7: 7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. The issue is not with the wording, but with the understanding of the words. We believe the Bible is true as well, and we also believe there is one God.What you have to do is also include scriptures like in Genesis where God speaks in plural with "us" and "we." Also you have to discern who was speaking from heaven at Christ's baptism and at the transfiguration. Was Jesus a great ventriloquist?You have to come to terms with how Jesus has a Father in Heaven, as He said in the Bible, as well as to whom He prayed, and with how the two of them, along with the Holy Ghost, are one. Quote
prospectmom Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Jim does not like quotes from the Book of Mormon... only bible the OP never came back Quote
Jim108 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Jim, I respect your understanding of God just fine. But every single scripture quoted can be interpreted both ways. The Godhead and the Trinity are both fully Biblical, yet neither is explicitly explained in the Bible. You also have Sabellianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Binitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Unitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Arianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a good bit of wiggle room for other theologies on the matter. The Bible seems to leave room for all of these ideologies (though I admit that Arianism is stretching things a bit.) The Original Poster of this thread went about making their point in a pretty stupid way: Skipping the hello's and charging right into, "I'm right and your wrong." That's not good manners no matter who you are. I never considered you a troll Jim. Just take into consideration who and what you are defending here. In my mind, it's not a matter of a calm discussion about our different beliefs about God. It's some complete stranger showing up and without so much as an introduction, he spouts off about how wrong the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is. Everyone here can quote a bunch of Scriptures to counter-attack, but to what end? Nobody is going to convince anybody else by turning the Word of God against itself, and I don't think God appreciates such behavior. The OP is not approaching the "discussion" in an intelligent and polite manner, so it should be no surprise that nobody takes him seriously.God Bless, Faded.I respect this post. Yes, I do understand the points of view from the other side and I can see why there is some confusion. I believe all of the Bible to be true and all of your quotes from the bible to be true. I will not argue Gods Word as I see you do not either. My view on the Bible is a bit different then the LDS. I believe that if God created everything then He can protect His Word. I believe this on faith. As far as the Troll thing, I have been called a troll many times on this forum that I guess I have gotten a little tired of it. I guess I am a little tired. The original poster went about this the wrong way. He did not respect you enough to engage in a civil debate. I do respect all of you and I promise I will stick around to debate in a civil manner, Jim Quote
JohnnyRudick Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Please forgive me as I have already forgiven you. God bless, Jim:confused:For what man? We love ya;)Chill out:hippie:Bro. Rudick Quote
Jim108 Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 :confused:For what man? We love ya;)Chill out:hippie:Bro. RudickThanks Bro Rudick Quote
prospectmom Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 so many come to just stir the pot and not for real interaction...... thus the troll thing... you are not a troll and I am glad for that... we just disagree and that is ok. Quote
Faded Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) I respect this post. Yes, I do understand the points of view from the other side and I can see why there is some confusion. I believe all of the Bible to be true and all of your quotes from the bible to be true. I will not argue Gods Word as I see you do not either. My view on the Bible is a bit different then the LDS. I believe that if God created everything then He can protect His Word. I believe this on faith. As far as the Troll thing, I have been called a troll many times on this forum that I guess I have gotten a little tired of it. I guess I am a little tired. The original poster went about this the wrong way. He did not respect you enough to engage in a civil debate. I do respect all of you and I promise I will stick around to debate in a civil manner, JimThe reason that many LDS will assume the worst is because there are too many examples of the worst amongst Christianity. There are a ton of so-called Christians who are perfectly Christlike in most circumstances, but they turn into complete monsters at the mention of 1 word: "Mormon." It's really quite sad. But just remember that there is a lot of defensiveness on the part of LDS folks largely because it's been beaten into us by "Christians." If the vast majority of them behaved themselves it wouldn't be an issue.The original poster is a great example. Here's what we know about them: NAME: williamgeorge16 POSTS: 1 (starting this thread of course at 04-21-2009, 08:10 PM .) RELIGION: ChristianMEMBER SINCE: 04/21/2009LAST LOGIN: 04/21/2009 14:10:32Translation: williamgeorge16 came to lds.net, kicked the hornets nest, and walked away. I don't think we need to assume that they had the best of intentions, considering that. Edited April 25, 2009 by Faded Quote
Tarnished Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 To tell the truth I have found that there are many many people on the forums who employ bad spelling and grammar. The fact that Jim108 decides to put his name at the end of each of his comments, though confusing at times, is just his own way of posting. Considering some of the almost unreadable posts I have seen, his way of posting is not so bad. It gives his posts their own character. Quote
pam Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 I don't want anyone to ever accuse me of stirring the pot. Quote
Maya Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 To tell the truth I have found that there are many many people on the forums who employ bad spelling and grammar. The fact that Jim108 decides to put his name at the end of each of his comments, though confusing at times, is just his own way of posting. Considering some of the almost unreadable posts I have seen, his way of posting is not so bad. It gives his posts their own character.Really ... hmm... I never SEEN a mistake in mine, Mayaps The world of Dyslexic functions does not always function... Maya was for John Quote
Tarnished Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 Now where is that darn laugh button? Quote
dnc76v22 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 Now where is that darn laugh button?Somewhere under the link that says more. Quote
Hemidakota Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 why does the LDS church teach that there are more than one god, if the bible states quite a lot that there isn't any other god apart from him.There are not a few ambiguous Biblical passages that teach that there is only one God, but many explicit passages that clearly declare this cardinal truth. Each of the following 28 passages explicitly teach that there is one — and only one — true and living God. 1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.I don't really know about you but it's pretty clear to me that is only one God.Then why does the LDS church goes against that teaching??? All that writing and there is but one vision that qualifies here, as with former dispensational prophets, Joseph Smith vision of the Godhead revealing themselves to that individual. Now, what was your point in futility? Quote
JohnnyRudick Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 All that writing and there is but one vision that qualifies here, as with former dispensational prophets, Joseph Smith vision of the Godhead revealing themselves to that individual. Now, what was your point in futility?And ya know the sad part?We believe every one of those Scriptures.He just won't understand them for some reason.He is so ingrained with the teachings of men that he won't just go with what the Scriptures as a whole teach. Bro. Rudick Quote
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