Maureen Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 ...beer as it happens really does taste like pee...Am I to guess that you know this because you have indeed tasted pee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will227457 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 only american beer tastes like pee..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 only american beer tastes like pee.....What's with all the pee tasting? Maybe the prohibition of tasting of pee should be part of the WofW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 pam you havent been a member long enough1933, the General Handbook of Instructions listed the Word of Wisdom as a requirement for temple worship, exactly 100 years after the receipt of the revelation by Joseph Smith.up to that point it was more of a lifestyle guide line...... I don't think 1933 qualifies as "recent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyswatguy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Am I to guess that you know this because you have indeed tasted pee? haha , no but it looks like pee , smells like pee and people here call it piss and say lets go and get pissed .the taste is quite danky , couldn,t say it was pleasent , maybe refreshing on a hot day , govt reg have weakend the strength to the point that to get drunk you need at least a gallon , hence the saying lets get pissed because you will be running to the toilet all night , perhaps its good point is it flushes out the water works , might be good for preventing kidney stones or for people with kidney stones .thanx for those pointing out that the lds church wasn,t always drybone .JS had a bar in the mansion house and the bartender was the infamous porter rockwell ,after protest from emma smith the bar was closed down.this to my mind does not make JS not a prophet of god or in anyway a lesser person .rather it shows him to be outward going and a genuine socialite .the problem is most mormons have a false and misleading picture of the early history of the church so when these things come out its problem problem problem .a wise testimony will accept human weakness as being part of the growth structure of the church and is not based on the idea that any particular person is above and beyond .red wine in moderation is good for the heart and when combined with dark choclate actually lowers cholestrol.a small glass after dinner will help you relax reducing stress. As utah has the highest usage of drugs like prozac per capita stress seems to be a problem for many members.there is a price to pay for idealic standards and stress is most likely it .....the reason so many members drop out of church is simply to much stress . to much guilt , to much anxiety about meeting a god who cannot look on sin with the least degree of allowance .the more rules and legalisms surrounding God the more people you shut out .That could be one reason why Jesus constantly taught about salvation by grace and faith in a God whos charity and love was beyond human comprehension .most legalist always consider themselves to be men of god such as the pharisees for instance .it may not occur to them that they may be shutting out the very people whom they thought they were trying to save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyswatguy Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 only american beer tastes like pee.....actually i was basing my idea on kiwi beer .However i have heard that American beer is really really bad , and so aparently is the cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) govt reg have weakend the strength to the point that to get drunk you need at least a gallonWith the possible exceptions of Utah and Oklahoma, that's incorrect in regard to the US.only american beer tastes like pee.....American macro-beer tastes like pee, or close to what I'd imagine pee tastes like. American craft beer is some of the best in the world. Sorry, I couldn't hold my tongue. Now that that's out of the way, here's my two cents on moderation. As others have said, alcohol is a highly addictive substance. Theoretically, it's certainly possible to exhibit self-control, but it's also very easy to go overboard. Dependency is easy to fall into, and very difficult to break free from. I came very close to becoming an alcoholic when I first got into craft beer, and it took several months of overseas duty to break me free of it. I still drink at least one beer a day, but I'm definitely more careful than I used to be. Even so, I'd be lying if I said that I always drink in moderation. As a non-religious person, my drinking habits don't really bother me much, but I can see how similar habits could be antithetical to having a spiritual relationship with God. If you're relying on alcohol to shut out the bad things in life, then what room does that leave for your faith? The best route to take is to abstain completely and avoid falling into a trap that could be potentially devastating to your physical and spiritual well-being. Edited October 19, 2009 by Godless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Searcher Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 You can find better antioxidants and diuretics in other stuff. Just one sip is enough my friend. You know how much it took me to finally say "ah, i've had that much, might as well ahve more"? one sip.and I became an alcoholic. I know, I'm an extreme example. But don't take the chance I think a lot of these 'commandments' are in force because the powers that be in the church are scared you will makes mistakes so put a blanket ban on certain things. You do not become an alcoholic if you taste alcohol. You dont jump on the nearest male and have sex with them because you are alone in a room with them. I think common sense is overlooked a lot on the church. I'm a bit offended by the insinuation that I cant be trusted with alcohol, or a member of the opposite sex or whatever. I think some things we should be able to make our own judgements on. You cant ban food to stop people getting fat and breaking the word of wisdom for example. Some people in the church are addicted to food (they are in my stake anyway! ) some maybe are on alcohol. I too though am not a big fan of alcohol. However, alcoholics are not alcoholics generally because they cant get enough of the stuff. Its because they have unresolved issues and problems in their lives that they try to ignore with alcohol. If it wasnt that, it would be something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Do you REALLY believe those reasons you listed are the reasons God has commanded us about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyswatguy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 With the possible exceptions of Utah and Oklahoma, that's incorrect in regard to the US.American macro-beer tastes like pee, or close to what I'd imagine pee tastes like. American craft beer is some of the best in the world. Sorry, I couldn't hold my tongue. Now that that's out of the way, here's my two cents on moderation. As others have said, alcohol is a highly addictive substance. Theoretically, it's certainly possible to exhibit self-control, but it's also very easy to go overboard. Dependency is easy to fall into, and very difficult to break free from. I came very close to becoming an alcoholic when I first got into craft beer, and it took several months of overseas duty to break me free of it. I still drink at least one beer a day, but I'm definitely more careful than I used to be. Even so, I'd be lying if I said that I always drink in moderation. As a non-religious person, my drinking habits don't really bother me much, but I can see how similar habits could antithetical to having a spiritual relationship with God. If you're relying on alcohol to shut out the bad things in life, then what room does that leave for your faith? The best route to take is to abstain completely and avoid falling into a trap that could be potentially devastating to your physical and spiritual well-being.i don,t think alcohol is highly addictive especially not beer , maybe strong spirits are . Heroin is what i would call a highly addictive substance .I used to manage a band and one night we were playing in a very rough pub . The night went well up untill midnight when we were supposed to pack up , the band were enjoying themselves so decided to play a couple more songs , fatal mistake , about then a fight broke out , unlike most fights which end pretty quick it went on and on , whole families were getting involved , the women were worse than the men . we packed up as quick as we could whilst the fighting went on down the other end of the room , walking out to the van i was walking thru pee were people had been urinating around the back door , finaly i had to try and get paid by the manager who was behind the bar , the fight was still going and he ripped me off $100 on the fee , not wanting to argue i just took the money and got out . when i told the band we were $100 short one of them would not believe me and made out i had put it in my pocket , no police turned up and by now there were a few people lying outside injured .believe when i say i don,t like alcohol very much and find drunk people a total pain in the butt at best , and very dangerous and violent at worst .I have had one son hospitalised after being beaten up by drunks , another son hit over the head with a baseball bat , a son in law was recently beaten up in the same way , looking at the car it was covered in dents and blood spatters ,it made me sick to look at . last night another son in law came home with a black eyes after attending what was supposed to be a family party that had alcohol ( he is not a mormon but the person who punched him is ,, a totaly unprovoked attack ).so i really don,t like alcohol but i still believe that people should make this decision not to drink on there own account and should not be forced or indoctrinated into it .when a person who has been forced into prohabition crosses the line the feelings of euphoria they get from breaking out of the repressed enviroment in which they have been living are immense . hence you wil find strong members who have tried to repress their children into prohabition only to find that when they cross the line its a total train wreck , i know of some members who have not one child in prison but three or four . not only alcohol but meth cannabis ect .its so bad its your worst nightmere come true .The funny thing is they think there enjoying themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Searcher Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Do you REALLY believe those reasons you listed are the reasons God has commanded us about them?I dont think God commanded them full stop. And if they aren't the reasons what are the real ones? To keep us healthy? You can be healthy without the word of wisdom and unhealthy with it. My non-member ex's parents were fitness fanatics and cooked all sorts of wonderful healthy food. Oh, and they drank in moderation. My inlaws are overweight, lazy, with numerous health problems. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyswatguy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Do you REALLY believe those reasons you listed are the reasons God has commanded us about them?God has never given us a commandment not to be friends with as many females as we wish , female male freindship brings balance and happiness , its non freindship and fear that brings social depravity creating rapists murderers child molesters ect .mormon ideas about never being alone with a female are totaly depraved , socially repugnent and demean both men and women .anybody who excepts those ideas as commandments is going to have severe problems with sexual adjustment .one day i was at a restraunt having dinner when a tour group came in , one of the tour group was a buddist monk .when seated at the table i watched the monk complain to the tour guide that the women should not be sitting near to him .what a load of bunk .the more female friends i have the better adjusted i feel , its not possible to have female freinds or any other kind of freinds without spending some time alone and having a good yack . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I dont think God commanded them full stop. And if they aren't the reasons what are the real ones? To keep us healthy? You can be healthy without the word of wisdom and unhealthy with it. My non-member ex's parents were fitness fanatics and cooked all sorts of wonderful healthy food. Oh, and they drank in moderation. My inlaws are overweight, lazy, with numerous health problems. Go figure. Perhaps you should read the revelation again, because you seem to have missed the point of it. It is more than just 'oh, you'll be healthy if you do this'. Do you know where it's located in the scriptures? Don't take this wrong, but you seem to have barely a passing knowledge of what the church teaches, and no idea why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Searcher Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 John, I know exactly what the church teaches. I know the word of wisdom isn't just a health code. The clue is in the title. Its more about the spiritual gifts and intelligence and knowledge you can gain as well as physical health. But that doesnt happen either. So many members I know are smug and self righteous about being a member and treat everyone who drinks and smokes as if they are a speck of dirt under their shoe. For the record, I think the WOW is one of the most misunderstood aspect of the church. Everyone seems to focus on what they cant do and thats it. I suppose I have a problem as ill health etc still happens to people so it feels like an empty promise to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will227457 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 John, I know exactly what the church teaches. I know the word of wisdom isn't just a health code. The clue is in the title. Its more about the spiritual gifts and intelligence and knowledge you can gain as well as physical health. But that doesnt happen either. So many members I know are smug and self righteous about being a member and treat everyone who drinks and smokes as if they are a speck of dirt under their shoe.+1 it is the self rightious attitude that totally turns me off...and the judgemental way that members tend to look down upon others.....even members with a diffrent opnion than their own.....this doesn't apply just to the WoW....but to the small mindedness and struggle to observe the minuta of the commandmants, while failing greatly in other aspects of their spiritual growth....oh but yuo can't mention it or bring it to their attention....you wouldn't want to be judgemental.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 How in the world have we gone from discussing the WoW to now saying the prophets were wrong in issuing statements on the WoW and now that LDS members are judgemental about everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will227457 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 no on eever said that the prophets were wrong at least i didn't, and no on eever said "all" members were judgemental...but that element exists...don't deny it... oh +1 for corona.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 +1 for corona....Yuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xforeverxmetalx Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 How in the world have we gone from discussing the WoW to now saying the prophets were wrong in issuing statements on the WoW and now that LDS members are judgemental about everything?eh, I've been involved in weirder conversationsanyway I think those that say LDS members are judgmental have a point but I think it applies to religious people in general, and in fact I think LDS are better at that than most Christians. it's just a problem with religious people themselves I think, not the religion... since also saying all Christians/LDS/whatever are judgmental, is judgmental in itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will227457 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 uhhhh no one said all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Kind of an interesting thought seeing beer being rated on an lds site. From some I can understand..from others the understanding is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sorry, I got carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yeah, I wish you guys would quit being so judgemental of me. It hurts my feelings of self-worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yeah, I wish you guys would quit being so judgemental of me. It hurts my feelings of self-worth. Yeah really. People that can't make up their mind drive me crazy. But I really wish you'd make up your mind if you want the jacket or not...Do you want the jacket? Did you say you wanted a jacket? Beige or dark green. Sorry everyone..inside family joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godless Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Ugh, get a room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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