lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 Like HOW did God get to be God and How did he come to be ? What happened before he made up this wonderfull plan for us and before we were spirits.. ? Get what im saying Quote
Justice Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 You won't get a definitive answer. Most of what has been revealed is allegory and symbol. There are as many different beliefs as their are people. But, the truth of the matter? I can't wait until it's revealed. But, if you want to discuss speculation, then let the games begin... Quote
Traveler Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 Like HOW did God get to be God and How did he come to be ? What happened before he made up this wonderfull plan for us and before we were spirits.. ?Get what im saying The problem is that there was a fall of all mankind. Because of the fall there is a vail that prevents us from remembering anything prior to the fall. This is because of the covenant concerning the tree of Life and our probation.For a little understanding, Ecc. 1:9-10 tells us that all things in scripture give us a "type" and "shadow" of things that have already been. Beyond such understanding of shadows we must live by faith - not by speculation.The Traveler Quote
lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Posted February 23, 2010 but i like speculation. Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 I can answer from a mainstream Christianity viewpoint, but I don't want to see Justice have a heart attack, lol. Quote
Dravin Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 I can answer from a mainstream Christianity viewpoint, but I don't want to see Justice have a heart attack, lol.The exertion is good for him. :) Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Like HOW did God get to be God and How did he come to be ? What happened before he made up this wonderfull plan for us and before we were spirits.. ?Get what im sayingI believe from the LDS view (and I could be slightly off), God used to be a man on a similar planet, like Earth. He obeyed the covenants and commands, similar to what the Mormon members now follow. He was then exalted to God of this planet. He and His wife gave birth to billions of spirit children. You existed in Heaven for a time as a spirit child, and now here you are. You must follow the ordinances and covenants to progress and be exalted to a God of your own planet yourself one day. I think this is referred to as the "eternal progression of Gods" or something like that. Or is it infinite progression...Before all this ever happened, God was a man, before that, He was a spirit baby, before that, I would guess He didn't exist.Did I get that right guys?? I tried to give it to him simple and to the point, without all the fancy words, lol. No seriously, do I have the overall concept down? Edited February 23, 2010 by JohnOF123 Quote
lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Posted February 23, 2010 so how did that planet god was from come to be . I want the begining of the story. Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 so how did that planet god was from come to be . I want the begining of the story.I think that they say, God forms the planets out of existing matter, not out of nothing, once He becomes a God.. That is all I know about how planets are formed. So its not like there are a bunch of blank planets sitting out there waiting to be claimed. A new God forms the planet, or it may be formed for Him but then you create life, things our of existing matter. Something like that.Help me out here guys, how did the planet come to be. I cant speak too much for the LDS side though.And I don't think there is a beginning in LDS theology, the process just keeps looping backwards for eternity. Quote
lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Posted February 23, 2010 none of this is actualy doctrine but its fun speculating. Quote
Dravin Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 so how did that planet god was from come to be . I want the begining of the story.Who says there is an ultimate beginning? We speak 'easily' of eternity stretching forward infinitely in front of us, but for some reason (and I'm no exception) the idea that it stretches infinitely behind us gives us brain cramps. Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 Who says there is an ultimate beginning? We speak 'easily' of eternity stretching forward infinitely in front of us, but for some reason (and I'm no exception) the idea that it stretches infinitely behind us gives us brain cramps.I would say that time can go forward infinitely but not backwards; do you want to hear the logic? Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 Hey Dravin, do you mind if I answer that by posting one letter at a time to catch up to your 2800 posts? Quote
Dravin Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) I would say that time can go forward infinitely but not backwards; do you want to hear the logic?Time isn't all that is though. Time is a perception of events as observed by humans, thus it 'slows' (compared to a 'stationary' reference point) at near relativistic speeds. Keep in mind that if eternity does not go back infinitely then there is a time where God did not exist. My understanding is that the idea that there ever was a point where God did not exist is contrary to mainstream Christian theology. Is that incorrect? Or is God outside of time?Hey Dravin, do you mind if I answer that by posting one letter at a time to catch up to your 2800 posts?Yeah, I probably would. Though it would be the perfect joke about the pitfalls of wifi at near relativistic speeds. :) Edited February 23, 2010 by Dravin Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Time isn't all that is though. Time is a perception of events as observed by humans, thus it 'slows' (compared to a 'stationary' reference point) at near relativistic speeds. Keep in mind that if eternity does not go back infinitely then there is a time where God did not exist. My understanding is that the idea that there ever was a point where God did not exist is contrary to mainstream Christian theology. Is that incorrect? Or is God outside of time?Yeah, I probably would. Though it would be the perfect joke about the pitfalls of wifi at near relativistic speeds. :)Yes we believe God created our universe, made up of a matrix of time, space, matter (and He reigns outside and not bound to it).He could answer a billions prayers and take all the "time" He needs because He is outside of it.Time is relative to space (matter and energy), so it's not just a perception.Do you want to hear the logic on how time can go forward infinitely but not backwards? or do you know it. Edited February 23, 2010 by JohnOF123 Quote
Dravin Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 You can share if you want, in all honesty I'm not interested. Quote
Justice Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 I believe there was no ultimate beginning. John, you're doing a pretty good job of speculating. :) Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 You can share if you want, in all honesty I'm not interested.That's cool Dravin.. no biggieI believe there was no ultimate beginning.John, you're doing a pretty good job of speculating. :)Thx, now it's your turn. Tell him like it is Justice. Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 1) HOW did God get to be God? (How did he come to be)?2) What happened before he made up this wonderfull plan for us and before we were spirits?3) How did that planet god was from come to be?.Ok, here are the OP's questions. Does anyone else have some answers. I'd be interested in hearing them too. Quote
pam Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 The problem with speculation: That's how some false doctrines get started. Quote
mikbone Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 I believe in an infinite progression and regression of Gods. The same stuff that we have been exposed to has previously and will continue to occur. The names and places have just changed. Quote
lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Posted February 23, 2010 hmm. Thats true Pam. I hope this dosent get there but this has been on my mind quite a long time Quote
JohnOF123 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 hmm. Thats true Pam. I hope this dosent get there but this has been on my mind quite a long timeSo are all your questions answered on this, or still fuzzy?I sure wish everyone would go in the chat sometimes.Hey pam, any chance on sending out a mass message to everyone to invite them to the chat, heh. Quote
lizzy12 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Posted February 23, 2010 sure..ready to CLOSE it ? Quote
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