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Anyone here going to Glenn Becks 8/28??

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Matthew0059

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Vanhin, I agree with what you say concerning no one having substantive criticisms of Beck. He does get facts wrong sometimes and mixes things up, and his histrionics can get over the top- but I have yet to see someone definitively prove him wrong on any major issue. It comes down to ideology- and whence do we derive our ideology? From those that we serve and love (i.e., GOD, mammon, or Satan).

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Wingnut

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If you listened to the speech and didn't get specifics, then you didn't really listen.

It had NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.. it's only the mindless zombies that think that it did!

It had NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA. Glenn Beck will NOT run for president! (But if he did, I'd vote for him. ^_^ )

We know who the people were who were creeped out by Captain Moroni too and they weren't followers of God. Captain Moroni WAS POLITICAL and he WAS RELIGIOUS ... you can be both.

Beck offers a solution OVER and OVER again... it is: TURN TO GOD!!!

Those who have a problem with Beck, obviously have more of problem than being 'creeped".

Are you seriously comparing on an equal level Glenn Beck and Captain Moroni? Seriously? Unbefreakinglievable.

Mahonri

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Thank you for illustrating what it is about Beck's followers that bothers me so much.

"If you don't agree with me/him, then you've got a problem."

Zombies, indeeed.

Typical liberal drivel... if you don't agree with me, you are a zombie.

Glenn gave LOTS of specifics... obviously, he didn't listen to his speech.

Typical liberal as well.

Wingnut

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Is this a new word I haven't heard about or did I just catch Wingnut with a misspelled word??:eek::)

It's unbelievable with freaking in the middle. It's so far beyond unbelievable that it's unbefreakinglievable. Any word is a new word if you add freaking to the middle of it. :D

bytor2112

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It's unbelievable with freaking in the middle. It's so far beyond unbelievable that it's unbefreakinglievable. Any word is a new word if you add freaking to the middle of it. :D

Well then...I will add that arrow to my quiver for future moments of outrage.

dorave

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Are you seriously comparing on an equal level Glenn Beck and Captain Moroni? Seriously? Unbefreakinglievable.

Yeah if someone was to resemble a modern day Captain Moroni he'd be rocking a crew cut, wear 5 stars on his collar and a Colt 45mm in his holster, huh?

FunkyTown

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If you listened to the speech and didn't get specifics, then you didn't really listen.

It had NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.. it's only the mindless zombies that think that it did!

It had NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA. Glenn Beck will NOT run for president! (But if he did, I'd vote for him. ^_^ )

We know who the people were who were creeped out by Captain Moroni too and they weren't followers of God. Captain Moroni WAS POLITICAL and he WAS RELIGIOUS ... you can be both.

Beck offers a solution OVER and OVER again... it is: TURN TO GOD!!!

Those who have a problem with Beck, obviously have more of problem than being 'creeped".

Just so I can confirm. You're saying this:

QUOTE=Mahonri;530746]If you listened to the speech and didn't get specifics, then you didn't really listen.

It had NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.. it's only the mindless zombies that think that it did!

And then you say this:

Beck offers a solution OVER and OVER again... it is: TURN TO GOD!!!

So, just to confirm, since many people who disagree quite vocally with Beck on a number of issues and still believe in God and want Him first(I am one of them), what exactly was Beck's speech about?

I could have sworn in his speech(As produced verbatim by the wonderful folks at Fox News at 'Glenn Beck': Restoring Honor - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com), he said:

And then there was this: "Attendees are prohibited from bringing signs. The fear, of course, is that it will turn into a pit of hatred, a la the health care town halls."

A pit of hatred? A pit of hatred — written with our taxpayer dollars.

- Political statement

Do you think Russia and China are going to lead the world on what? The environment? You got Putin yesterday taking pictures of himself hunting whales. Yes, yes, yes.

How about human rights? You have China stacking people up like sardines in apartments above factories so they can work around the clock.

Political statement. Not entirely accurate, either.

However, you're correct in that Glenn Beck essentially gave a sermon, though it was one that held the aspects of a political rallying cry. I really can't argue with what he's said, and if he's going based on the idea of Joseph Smith's 'Give them correct principles and let them govern themselves', then I applaud him.

Given that he seems to want to make a change, one might think he would give more specifics.

dorave

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Yeah, to us displays of religion so openly are borderline priestcraft, but I think to much of his audience, that is the preferred delivery method.

I personally think he should stick with politics and keep the religious sermons to a minimum - not that he should be afraid to speak about his faith or anything. But then again, I think he is making the point that faith and religion in our daily lives should not always have to be on the back burner, and that it does need to be a part of our system of values as Americans.

Regards,

Vanhin

I don't think it is a normal everyday kinda guy's dream to get on national TV in todays world, and be labelled a Televangelist by your pairs and critics, critisized for being heavy on religious rhethoric is not something the average Latter-Day Saint aims towards, esp in the public eye - so I think Glenn would rather keep his religious (mormon) beliefs to his own personal circle (something we all tend to do?), than be put thru ridicule.

But I think he knows we are all kidding ourselves (and kidding the lord), living in denial if we think we can all live happilly together both good/evil, slowly but surely moving away from God and expect to get out of the currect mess America (and the rest of the world) finds itself in economically.

I believe Glenn also knows that teaching about America's greatness is crucial in solving it's problems. Like knowing your roots to determine what's ahead.

But he needs to highlight everything from knowing this land is the promise land, and the lords promise about American falling into capitivity, a knowledge he has gained thru church doctrine and experience himself, which is an important truth for Americans to realize, but how to teach all that without quoting the Book of Mormon and pushing Mormonism is I feel the key.

dorave

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Given that he seems to want to make a change, one might think he would give more specifics.

He has - you just haven't seen enough of his show to know about it.

He has dedicated entire shows during a week long series on specifics about solving the debt deficit, healthcare, the War.

Now, go do your homework bro.

FunkyTown

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This is 100% true, dorave. Hopefully, the man's teachings brought people closer to God. I hope so.

If he brought even one person closer, then the event was worth it and any complaints I have about his message at the eventare basically just childish due to my personal dislike of his political stances.

We'll see where his stance takes us in the coming months.

But I think he knows we are all kidding ourselves (and kidding the lord), living in denial if we think we can all live happilly together both good/evil, slowly but surely moving away from God and expect to get out of the currect mess America (and the rest of the world) finds itself in economically.

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He has - you just haven't seen enough of his show to know about it.

He has dedicated entire shows during a week long series on specifics about solving the debt deficit, healthcare, the War.

Now, go do your homework bro.

And none of those things were mentioned in his 'Restoring Honor'. He mentioned that we should turn to God. Great. That's true.

I believe firmly in that. Of course, I also think Glenn Beck may be wrong about almost everything he says, so we both agree: Turn to God. We just disagree on what that means.

Now, 'Bro'. Please research on whether or not I pay attention to political movements. You can read any of a number of my posts on here. I tend not to get my 'research' from talking heads.

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dorave

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Well, ask yourself this. What is the use of finding specifics if the intention (or the heart n soul is not right). Because the current specifics, strategies, methods are failing hard, we all know church doctrine regarding the cleansing of the soul to be worthy of blessing/prosperity.

The rally was just that. Nothing more, nothing less, and just fyi GB does have a specific strategy too, and he traces it back to Calvin Coolidge for the inspiration.

dorave

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While the speech is moving over the Internet, the 'spirit' of the speech 'in person was phenomenal.

We met a number of good folks on the Metro, traveling from the Marriott in Bethesda to the event.

One devout Catholic couple from Philadelphia were a good example of the some 650,000 who attended. She came from Polish decent, her mother was a Nazi concentration camp survivor, he was Cuban and their family were late 50's refugees from Cuba to the United States. Both had become citizens the way folks should become citizens. Both came from backgrounds of oppression and lack of freedom. Her words to all of us were these, "I believe that Glenn Beck was sent from God and that he is literally a "modern day prophet". I smiled. I told them that Glenn Beck would tell you that he is NOT a modern day prophet, but he could tell you where to find one. She looked puzzled. I then told her about the blue book in the night stand back at the Marriott. I quoted verses from Moroni chapter 7 to her. She said, "You sound just like him". I said, no, we simply preach God's word, be it in the New Testament in John or Corinthians or Moroni. It started a great gospel conversation.

I can only imagine how many thousands of others felt the same as she did.

Many thousands didn't make it to the rally... they were turned away at distant Metro sites because the Metro had become overwhelmed. Lines at 9AM in Virginia were over an hour long just to get onto the Metro. The same was true for the Red line both from Rockville and also in the northeast....otherwise there may have been over a million people there.

There were no signs, there was no hate. There was only love, and love of God, love of country and love of Glenn Beck that brought all of us together.

Captain Moroni held up the Title of Liberty. Glenn Beck is holding out Faith, Hope and Charity.

Glenn taught thousands at the beginning of the rally about the ancestors of the Native Americans who believed in Christ. He taught of Moses. He taught about the blessings of paying tithing. It was truly worth the while to be there and see the FAITH and patriotism of true Americans who want to keep our freedoms and not have them taken away by evil doers and modern day Gadiantons who would tax us and our children because they would spend our birthright.

Truly amazing, the hour long speech by Glenn only gives a small bit of the flavor of the event.

We met people from all over the country, Minnesota, Alaska, Oregon, California, fellow Arizonans, Texans, folks from Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Maine, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Indiana, Mass., Connecticut... I imagine folks from all 50 states were there. There was old and young there. There were folks of every race.

8.28 will not soon be forgotten.

M

Well done.

Do you have children? if so, did they go to?

MarginOfError

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Typical liberal drivel... if you don't agree with me, you are a zombie.

Glenn gave LOTS of specifics... obviously, he didn't listen to his speech.

Typical liberal as well.

"I'm rubber and you're glue. What you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!"

MarginOfError

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Are you seriously comparing on an equal level Glenn Beck and Captain Moroni? Seriously? Unbefreakinglievable.

Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very Church of God would be crippled by conspiracy theory and surmounting debt due to chalk purchases.

gabelpa

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Can anyone link me to a run down of his speech, what the main talking points are, what he wants to see change, what he will do to change them, etc? I'm curious, and want to see both sides of the coin.

skippy740

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The problem I see regarding this thread is this - are we more critical of the MESSAGE or the MAN?

Some might say they are one and the same.

The MESSAGE is one that we could actually hear in General Conference every April & October - as addresses to the entire Church. There ARE specifics in those messages.

I think our view of THIS person (Glenn Beck) sharing similar messages to the entire nation is skewing our interpretation of these events.

Is Glenn Beck doing this just to improve his ratings? I don't think so. There's a fine line on this, and I think his heart is in the right place.

If we can get past 'the man' and focus on the message... it's right in line with LDS beliefs, doctrines and ways to live.

Just my opinion.

Matthew0059

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The problem I see regarding this thread is this - are we more critical of the MESSAGE or the MAN?

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I think our view of THIS person (Glenn Beck) sharing similar messages to the entire nation is skewing our interpretation of these events.

If we can get past 'the man' and focus on the message... it's right in line with LDS beliefs, doctrines and ways to live.

...[The Lord's] grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of [others'] weakness;

Ether 12:26

Moksha

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Do you think Glenn Beck tied his ideas of seeking God together afterward, when he said President Obama was not a Christian and therefore did not have God?

For Beck, what's the point of a heart warming sermon if you can't peddle some snake oil after the sermon?

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