Suspending Visas for LDS missionaries to Mexico?

[Backroads]

Utah's considering a bill that would allow individuals such as family or employers to sponser illegal immigrants.

[Guest]

our government ignores the facts as well. if they wanted to solve the problem quickly and fairly they could. no massive (expensive) effort required. but they don't. small changes to systems already in place could go a long way to making a difference. for example if a child is born in the states then they can get access to medicaid and such. there is no proof that the parents are here legally required in that process. so change that process by a small measure working with the ppl that come to you one at a time.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean on this paragraph. Are you saying to change the law so that a person born in the USA by non-resident parents do not get the claim that he is a natural born citizen of the USA?

[USAPatriot]

Utah's considering a bill that would allow individuals such as family or employers to sponser illegal immigrants.

And what happens when the "sponsor" doesn't have any money to cover the costs of the person they sponsored? Are they going to provide housing, food, medical care, transportation, liability insurance? If the person commits a crime, are they going to pay for the costs of incarceration? If the person hurts, damages or kills someone, are they going to be held liable for the financial cost of the harm, damage or wrongful death they caused to others? What about the worker and his family that this worker displaced? Is the sponsor going to co-sponsor the family that now is without a livelihood because of the illegal they sponsored took their job?

[Dravin]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean on this paragraph. Are you saying to change the law so that a person born in the USA by non-resident parents do not get the claim that he is a natural born citizen of the USA?

I took it more as using Medicaid application as a method to catch illegal immigrant parents. Thing is I imagine the end result would be the child wouldn't get Medicaid rather than illegal immigrants outing themselves.

[Gwen]

notice i said "working with ppl that come to you" not "ambush and deport..." or whatever.

i don't think medicaid should be used to "catch" anyone. right now there is no "safe" way for someone to make right the initial choice they made to come into the country illegally. i think if they have children that are citizens, and have been contributing there should be a safe way for them to apply to stay here. the children have a right to be here, they also have a right to be raised by their parents. the system already in place could be used to do that. you work with the ppl that are trying to do right by their kids.

part of the problem is the system in place basically only gives two options. sneak in and live in fear of being deported. or apply the "right" way and wait 20 yrs for an answer. why is it so hard to open a middle door? particularly to those that are trying to do the right thing, would contribute to our society and have children that have rights as citizens. i really think if there was a "safe" and effective way to become legal many would be standing in line. once you leave the boarder cities where the drug runners hang out most of them are hard working ppl that just want the chance for a good life like the rest of us. they would do things "the right way" if they could.

[Traveler]

i don't think anyone is blaming the church. what is being said is the church has the power to assist in solving the problem (or ignore facts and contribute to it).

i also don't think our government really wants to solve the problem. all these workers are being taxed. for fear of being found out they don't file returns to get that money back even though many of them could do so. all that is "free" money. it's not a problem if you are the one gaining from it.

Short of invading Mexico and declaring Mexico a terteory of the USA the problem will not and cannot be solved by the USA.

The Traveler

[Guest]

i don't think medicaid should be used to "catch" anyone. right now there is no "safe" way for someone to make right the initial choice they made to come into the country illegally. i think if they have children that are citizens, and have been contributing there should be a safe way for them to apply to stay here. the children have a right to be here, they also have a right to be raised by their parents. the system already in place could be used to do that. you work with the ppl that are trying to do right by their kids.

The system already in place already does that. If you are an illegal resident and you have a child under 18 who is an American citizen, then you cannot be deported. When the child turns 18, he can sponsor the application for permanent residency for his parents, so that they won't have to go back home.

part of the problem is the system in place basically only gives two options. sneak in and live in fear of being deported. or apply the "right" way and wait 20 yrs for an answer. why is it so hard to open a middle door? particularly to those that are trying to do the right thing, would contribute to our society and have children that have rights as citizens. i really think if there was a "safe" and effective way to become legal many would be standing in line. once you leave the boarder cities where the drug runners hang out most of them are hard working ppl that just want the chance for a good life like the rest of us. they would do things "the right way" if they could.

No, it doesn't take 20 years for an answer. I applied for my US visa within 2 years time. Arnel Pineda - the current lead singer for Journey - got his visa within days.

And yes, there is currently a "safe" and effective way to become legal IF you haven't broken American law. That's how I got here. The minute you break American law, it is near impossible to become legal.

And yes, there are a SLEW of people standing in line in the legal manner. Unfortunately, their visas are not getting approved fast enough because America is already full of immigrants - the ones that jump borders. When there's a 9% unemployment in the books, immigration starts to trickle down. This is a good thing.

The bad thing is - those that are crying for "a chance for the illegal Mexicans to have a good life" - are denying that same chance for a good life to those in line in the legal process. The border jumpers are not the only ones needing to do right by their children.

So, basically, the message is - we reward those who break the law and punish those who patiently follow the lawful process.

[Soulsearcher]

So, basically, the message is - we reward those who break the law and punish those who patiently follow the lawful process.

Funny i remember pointing this out to someone not to long ago....but can't remember who....

[Gwen]

if it's so easy and safe why isn't the information out there? i've done quite a bit of looking (granted i'm not a pro but the ones needing the info won't be either) and i've not been able to find any easy or safe way to deal with the situation. all the info out there is very disheartening.

i think i'm being misunderstood. i don't agree with a free for all or a totally open boarder. i do think the laws and regulations need to be revised. what is currently happening isn't satisfactory (i think most agree with that). and as i've said before i think the situations are different on boarder cities and when you get further into the country. the ppl i meet aren't the same as the one's that live on the outer edges. and it doesn't change that this is an issue that strongly affects the church.

[GeneC]

if it's so easy and safe why isn't the information out there? i've done quite a bit of looking (granted i'm not a pro but the ones needing the info won't be either) and i've not been able to find any easy or safe way to deal with the situation. all the info out there is very disheartening.

i think i'm being misunderstood. i don't agree with a free for all or a totally open boarder. i do think the laws and regulations need to be revised. what is currently happening isn't satisfactory (i think most agree with that). and as i've said before i think the situations are different on boarder cities and when you get further into the country. the ppl i meet aren't the same as the one's that live on the outer edges. and it doesn't change that this is an issue that strongly affects the church.

Yes, especially the 14th Amendment.

[Blackmarch]

Short of invading Mexico and declaring Mexico a terteory of the USA the problem will not and cannot be solved by the USA.

The Traveler

Changing who leads a country won't automatically solve the issues... it may put a country on a path thats better and may eventually solve them, but such things rest mainly upon the citizenry to do the work.

And invading a country is very rarely inspiring to the locals of said country....

[Dravin]

Take this for what's it's worth: Online Etymology Dictionary

[Blackmarch]

Take this for what's it's worth: Online Etymology Dictionary

errrmmm ...Wrong thread?

Think you might want to put it in this thread:

Compound words

[Wingnut]

errrmmm ...Wrong thread?

Think you might want to put it in this thread:

Compound words

I wondered...lol.

[Dravin]

Yep, wrong thread. One of the dangers of multitabbed browsing.

[Guest]

if it's so easy and safe why isn't the information out there? i've done quite a bit of looking (granted i'm not a pro but the ones needing the info won't be either) and i've not been able to find any easy or safe way to deal with the situation. all the info out there is very disheartening.

i think i'm being misunderstood. i don't agree with a free for all or a totally open boarder. i do think the laws and regulations need to be revised. what is currently happening isn't satisfactory (i think most agree with that). and as i've said before i think the situations are different on boarder cities and when you get further into the country. the ppl i meet aren't the same as the one's that live on the outer edges. and it doesn't change that this is an issue that strongly affects the church.

That's the thing - it's relatively easy and safe (if you have a skillset that America needs) to go through the legal process. The information is available - even on the internet. But, I think what you're talking about is "after the fact". It's harder then. Because they already broke the law. You can't really treat them the same as the ones going through the legal line.

But, as far as laws and regulations getting revised... there's one bill that I really liked. There's one problem with it that I really don't like, but it's the closest I've found that reflects my idea of how to solve the problem in the easiest and safest way. It's generically called the McCain-Kennedy bill. I can give you a blow-by-blow of what I like about it and what I don't like about it... but I'm not sure if it's an interesting post for this thread.

Unfortunately, the bill died in the senate.