pam Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I applaud BYU for sticking by their decision to treat all students equally when it comes to honor code. #3 BYU lost one of their star players at a very bad time. But their philosophy is that the honor code is more important than winning games.ksl.com - BYU's honor code, Davies remain hot topics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Excellent. I'm a U of U graduate, but I applaud BYU not making an exception to their honor code for the 'special class' of student that brings in money and prestige for the university. It's evidence that the church is not developing pharisee/saducee elements. Dood who got kicked out can go anywhere else he wants, and do as much as whatever he did to get him kicked out of BYU as he wants. He just can't do it at BYU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I was just talking to my husband about this last night. This is how the conversation went: DH: "BYU just kicked out their star basketball player for premarital sex!" Me: "Awesome!" DH: "Huh?" Me: "I think it's awesome that they're sticking to the honor code." DH: "Do you know how many guys in their football team have premarital sex?" Me: "Uhm... None?" DH: "I doubt it." Don't know what to make of that comment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) I was just talking to my husband about this last night. This is how the conversation went:DH: "BYU just kicked out their star basketball player for premarital sex!"Me: "Awesome!"DH: "Huh?"Me: "I think it's awesome that they're sticking to the honor code."DH: "Do you know how many guys in their football team have premarital sex?"Me: "Uhm... None?"DH: "I doubt it."Don't know what to make of that comment... As BYU lacks omniscence a more relevant question would be, "Do they know which (a number doesn't single violators out unless it's the whole team) guys on their football team have premarital sex?" They can't discipline for honor code violations if they aren't aware of them. Edited March 4, 2011 by Dravin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 You can get as much drugs and beer and sex at BYU as you can on any other college campus, if you know where to look. That's not the point. The point is BYU won't be looking the other way when they catch you. That speaks to integrity. Speaking to the ability to keep naughtitude off campus is another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I was just talking to my husband about this last night. This is how the conversation went:DH: "BYU just kicked out their star basketball player for premarital sex!"Me: "Awesome!"DH: "Huh?"Me: "I think it's awesome that they're sticking to the honor code."DH: "Do you know how many guys in their football team have premarital sex?"Me: "Uhm... None?"DH: "I doubt it."Don't know what to make of that comment... Slight correction. "One" of their star basketball players. Petty I know, but I'm a Jimmer fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 As BYU lacks omniscence a more relevant question would be, "Do they know which (a number doesn't single violators out unless it's the whole team) guys on their football team have premarital sex?" They can't discipline for honor code violations if they aren't aware of them.You can get as much drugs and beer and sex at BYU as you can on any other college campus, if you know where to look. That's not the point. The point is BYU won't be looking the other way when they catch you. That speaks to integrity.Speaking to the ability to keep naughtitude off campus is another thread.That's what my husband is trying to say... BYU sacked a basketball player but looks the other way with their football players. At least that's what he thinks is happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 That's what my husband is trying to say... BYU sacked a basketball player but looks the other way with their football players. At least that's what he thinks is happening...I think Dravin's point is that they don't necessarily know that the football players are breaking the honor code. Didn't Davies own up to it himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think Dravin's point is that they don't necessarily know that the football players are breaking the honor code. Didn't Davies own up to it himself?I read on Slate that there are rumors (so far unsubstantiated) that his girlfriend is pregnant. The cynical interpretation being that it wasn't something he would be able to keep secret for very long. On the other hand, we don't know how long they've had such a relationship, or if this was a first time thing and he immediately sought out repentance. These are details we will never know.That being said, I do recall a story from when I was in high school that one of the football players was expelled for premarital sexual relations. It wasn't as big an uproar because the football team wasn't any good. But it is at least one anecdote of BYU not looking the other way for the football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 That's what my husband is trying to say... BYU sacked a basketball player but looks the other way with their football players. At least that's what he thinks is happening... Not entirely true. Harvey Unga one of BYU's leading rushers voluntarily dropped out of BYU due to honor code violation. I'm sure he would have been dropped had he not made the decision on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Let's keep in mind too that BYU has been very close lipped about what type of a violation it was. They have not released anything to the media on this so everything is pure speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I read on Slate that there are rumors (so far unsubstantiated) that his girlfriend is pregnant. The cynical interpretation being that it wasn't something he would be able to keep secret for very long.Not the same article I read on Slate, I guess. The one I read just said sex. Premarital sex at BYU: How common is it? - By Jeremy Singer-Vine - Slate MagazineLet's keep in mind too that BYU has been very close lipped about what type of a violation it was. They have not released anything to the media on this so everything is pure speculation.They tend to be very tight-lipped when it comes to Honor Code violations at all, not just the well-known ones. I think it's great that they are. If Davies wants to let people know what his offense was, that's his business, not BYU's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I'm sure BYU already knows of course..so it's really more it's not the publics business to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaMeeshkaMow Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 That is so awesome of BYU to do that. They could have just put him on "probation" and wait until the season is over. But they did the right thing. I think it shows how much integrity BYU has. Now wouldn't it be great if BYU wins the whole thing? The critics say no now but that would be sweet. Even if they lost in the first round, BYU would be considered (in my book) #1 in honesty, integrity and courage. That is better than any trophy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamjet Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 It seems from all the commentary out there that other schools who have looked the other way for the sake of a title are now being put into a position of comparison. I've been hearing the pundits say "why not?" of BYU removing him from basketball and wonder what other colleges are doing and what they are sweeping under the rug and if the reasons justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceofLight2000 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 It seems from all the commentary out there that other schools who have looked the other way for the sake of a title are now being put into a position of comparison. I've been hearing the pundits say "why not?" of BYU removing him from basketball and wonder what other colleges are doing and what they are sweeping under the rug and if the reasons justify it.I would like to see some videos of this. I'm not questioning you, I'd just like to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I say it's about time colleges have morals. Some colleges are talking about going coed. I say if the college teaches one thing and then turns it's back on those teachings then what is the point of those moral teachings in the first place. If people don't like to follow the rules of B.Y.U. or any of the other colleges rulings then don't go to that college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Interesting video talking about the subject: BYU Honor Code Unrealistic? - ESPN Video - ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceofLight2000 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Interesting video talking about the subject: BYU Honor Code Unrealistic? - ESPN Video - ESPNIt won't load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 The page or just the video? Both obviously load for me, I'm using Chrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceofLight2000 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 The page or just the video? Both obviously load for me, I'm using Chrome.The video. Trying chrome.Edit: Still not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Works just fine for me. That's the same video I posted on my facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 The video. Trying chrome.Edit: Still not working.It must just not like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceofLight2000 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 It must just not like you.Life = over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Here's a video of a football player who was dismissed from BYU a few years ago due to honor code. I love what he has to say about the difference between what happened and what it means to the team and losing a player due to injury.CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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