Garments and returning members?????

[LDSJewess]

I thought of posting this on the other thread about garments and non members but this doesn't rally apply. Truth be told "underwear" is not something people of my generation are all that comfortable discussing, so thank goodness for the internet.

Here is my question. As I said in my intro we joined the church, were baptized, a year later endowed and our marriage sealed. We had a lot of support from members in our first ward and a number of them were people we know before and were comfortable with. They guided us all the way. If my memory serves me right we got our garments at the Temple.

Long story short, we moved around a bit and got disconnected and never totally left the church but became quite inactive. We tithe, live by the words of wisdom and try to live according to God's plan. But we stopped wearing garments daily and before we knew it we just didn't buy replacements and stopped wearing them.

Now 15 years later we are back in the church and have talked and prayed about this. People in our new ward are very friendly and welcoming, but friendships have not developed to the point of feeling comfortable talking about personal matters.

OK the question is since we have not worn garments in a long while, where would we get them? Also because we stopped wearing them after out endowments would we need to be endowed again before it would be appropriate to wear them again? I undderstand you can order them online from the LDS site if you have a member number? I never know we had a number but we are on the church roles.

I know to you younger people just asking the Bishop is the easiest way, but is there someone else to ask that is perhaps older or of the same gender or another avenue to take. As I said, this is easy online. But talking about underwear in person to a man the age of my son or missionaries the age of our grandson, is a little more challenging for my comfort zone (and my husbands).

Suggestions anyone?

[estradling75]

You can get your membership number from the ward clerk.

Physical stores can be found here

Store Locations - LDS Online Store

Edited June 2, 2011 by estradling75

[Iggy]

I thought of posting this on the other thread about garments and non members but this doesn't rally apply. Truth be told "underwear" is not something people of my generation are all that comfortable discussing, so thank goodness for the internet.

Here is my question. As I said in my intro we joined the church, were baptized, a year later endowed and our marriage sealed. We had a lot of support from members in our first ward and a number of them were people we know before and were comfortable with. They guided us all the way. If my memory serves me right we got our garments at the Temple.

Long story short, we moved around a bit and got disconnected and never totally left the church but became quite inactive. We tithe, live by the words of wisdom and try to live according to God's plan. But we stopped wearing garments daily and before we knew it we just didn't buy replacements and stopped wearing them.

Now 15 years later we are back in the church and have talked and prayed about this. People in our new ward are very friendly and welcoming, but friendships have not developed to the point of feeling comfortable talking about personal matters.

OK the question is since we have not worn garments in a long while, where would we get them? Also because we stopped wearing them after out endowments would we need to be endowed again before it would be appropriate to wear them again? I understand you can order them online from the LDS site if you have a member number? I never know we had a number but we are on the church roles.

I know to you younger people just asking the Bishop is the easiest way, but is there someone else to ask that is perhaps older or of the same gender or another avenue to take. As I said, this is easy online. But talking about underwear in person to a man the age of my son or missionaries the age of our grandson, is a little more challenging for my comfort zone (and my husbands).

Suggestions anyone?

If it were me, I would go online to lds.org https://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/LogonPopupView?secureText=yes&catalogId=10557&successViewURL=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.lds.org%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FCategory3_715839595_10557_21162_-1___&langId=-1&storeId=715839595 register, then order using my credit card. IF it rejects you, then you will have to go to your Bishop. Your membership number you get from your Ward/Branch clerk. It is also on your recommend, and your records you got from the clerk when you had your records sent to the ward you are in now.

By the way, excommunication is the only way to lose your endowment. Being inactive doesn't do that. So as long as you were not ex'ed- you are fine.

[Iggy]

You can get your membership number from the ward clerk.

Physical stores can be found here

Store Locations - LDS Online Store

At physical stores you have to show your current temple recommend I believe.

[bytebear]

At physical stores you have to show your current temple recommend I believe.

I think they have a computer look up where they can get your info, but I am not for sure on that. You don't need a temple recommend to buy garments. You just need to show you have been endowed and not excommunicated.

[LDSJewess]

Ok that is easier than I thought. We were not excommunicated, just became inactive. Not meant to be an excuse, but when we left the ward where we were baptized we moved out of State and we slowly lost contact with many of our friends there. Our ward where we had moved for over a decade was just not the same and we were quite a distance geographically and also had to start new careers after retirement which pulled us more and more out of the loop and we just became less and less involved. Eventually we moved again to a state and city that we just know we will be for the remaining years of our lives, and we have established a real sense of community here. Our values never changed, just our level of activity and participation.

The Ward clerk it is. All of our records are transferred. I felt kind of good when I was in relief society for the first time in the new ward and I introduced myself and was told that she had seen her name and knew we were members there. Coming home indeed is a good feeling.

[O2BNSD]

Ok that is easier than I thought. We were not excommunicated, just became inactive. Not meant to be an excuse, but when we left the ward where we were baptized we moved out of State and we slowly lost contact with many of our friends there. Our ward where we had moved for over a decade was just not the same and we were quite a distance geographically and also had to start new careers after retirement which pulled us more and more out of the loop and we just became less and less involved. Eventually we moved again to a state and city that we just know we will be for the remaining years of our lives, and we have established a real sense of community here. Our values never changed, just our level of activity and participation.

The Ward clerk it is. All of our records are transferred. I felt kind of good when I was in relief society for the first time in the new ward and I introduced myself and was told that she had seen her name and knew we were members there. Coming home indeed is a good feeling.

Just remember that you will need to renew your Temple recommend as they will ask for it when purchasing garments. By the way, there are many more choices in fabrics which will meet various needs depending on where you live. It makes it so much easier to have different materials to choose from. The newest addition is Carinessa II now is available in tops. I use them for wearing with my scrubs (I'm in the medical field) & they are absolutely great to wear with scrubs! :)

[Iggy]

Just remember that you will need to renew your Temple recommend as they will ask for it when purchasing garments.

It has been stated here by bytebear and myself that the temple recommend is NOT needed.

My temple recommend has expired, and because of moving and our records taking their sweet old time getting here, I can not get it renewed- yet I ordered garments for myself and my husband just last month. Didn't need the recommend- just my membership number and credit card!

Bytebear has stated that they don't ask at the store when you go in person- they ask for your membership number and check it on the computer.

[Guest saintish]

I would reccomend reading the temple prep book and going to the temple as soon as possible so that you can remember what covenants you make by wearing the garment. that being said after you have been endowed you are encouraged to wear your garments no matter how long it has been since you have been to the temple.

[O2BNSD]

It has been stated here by bytebear and myself that the temple recommend is NOT needed.

My temple recommend has expired, and because of moving and our records taking their sweet old time getting here, I can not get it renewed- yet I ordered garments for myself and my husband just last month. Didn't need the recommend- just my membership number and credit card!

Bytebear has stated that they don't ask at the store when you go in person- they ask for your membership number and check it on the computer.

Well, I will have to disagree with that. Each and everytime that I have gone in to buy garments, they always ask for my Temple recommend. I just purchased another pair just last week and they asked for my Temple recommend at that time as well.

[Just_A_Guy]

Well, I bought three pair last month and all they asked for was my name and birthdate. So, pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!

[seriously: sounds like different stores are adopting different policies. Probably safest just to bring the recommend along, if you have it.]

[estradling75]

You do realize that Name and Birthdate can be entered into the system to get your membership number?... which is also written on the Temple Recommend. So basically its two different paths to getting to the same place. Confirmation that you are a member.

[Just_A_Guy]

Quit making so much sense, estradling!

[seriously--yeah; but my point was, the recommend itself may not be a requisite to purchasing garments depending on where you go.]

[estradling75]

Quit making so much sense, estradling!

Ok nonsense coming up

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

On the Ning Nang Nong

Where the cows go Bong!

and the monkeys all say BOO!

There's a Nong Nang Ning

The Crankadox leaned o'er the edge of the moon,

And wistfully gazed on the sea

Where the Gryxabodill madly whistled a tune

To the air of "Ti-fol-de-ding-dee."

Can I go back to making sense now?

[dahlia]

It has been stated here by bytebear and myself that the temple recommend is NOT needed.

My temple recommend has expired, and because of moving and our records taking their sweet old time getting here, I can not get it renewed- yet I ordered garments for myself and my husband just last month. Didn't need the recommend- just my membership number and credit card!

Being curious about garments, I went to look at them online, but the lds site didn't recognize my number. I wonder if they've got it set up so that you have to be a member for a year (and therefore eligible for endowments and garments) before they let you look.

I understand wanting to restrict the info to members, but garments are so scary. The elders talked to me a bit about theirs, but hey, they're guys. I tried to find some info online (some of the anti sites will talk about anything), and got a 'missionaries in garments' lite porn site. Yeah, takes all kinds, doesn't it? There is a picture of female garments on Wikipedia, but I understand there are different fabrics, etc and want to see the variety.

Is it true there aren't tank top garments for women? I like to wear tanks with a shirt over. Once I wear garments, can I still do this - the shirt would cover the cap sleeves - or does the first piece of clothing over the garment have to cover all of it? The curiosity has gotten so bad that all I do in RS is look for the outline of people's garments. I have a limited temple recommend and would certainly like to demystify the garment issue before taking the plunge.

Also, what is the point of wearing cute nightgowns if you've got garments on? Once endowed, are you supposed to wear nightgowns with sleeves in them as well? Someone really needs to tell converts about this stuff.

[O2BNSD]

Well, I bought three pair last month and all they asked for was my name and birthdate. So, pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!

[seriously: sounds like different stores are adopting different policies. Probably safest just to bring the recommend along, if you have it.]

The point that I was making is that you must have a current Temple Recommend in order to purchase garments. Whatever way they verify it is a moot point. I can only say that for each distribution center that I have purchased from (here in San Diego, Tempe AZ, three different distribution centers in Utah & the distribution center at the Laie Hawai'i Temple), the first words out their mouths were "can I see your Temple Recommend". Because I always have mine on me, I have never run into another way that they would use to verify it.

[Iggy]

Well, I will have to disagree with that. Each and everytime that I have gone in to buy garments, they always ask for my Temple recommend. I just purchased another pair just last week and they asked for my Temple recommend at that time as well.

They are asking for it because it has your membership number on it!!!

It could be expired and it wouldn't matter to them. They want your membership number.

[Vort]

I like to wear tanks with a shirt over. Once I wear garments, can I still do this - the shirt would cover the cap sleeves - or does the first piece of clothing over the garment have to cover all of it?

As long as the garment remains completely covered at all times, I can't imagine that it matters whether it is one piece of clothing or two that covers the whole thing.

The curiosity has gotten so bad that all I do in RS is look for the outline of people's garments. I have a limited temple recommend and would certainly like to demystify the garment issue before taking the plunge.

Why not just ask your RS president or your visiting teachers?

Also, what is the point of wearing cute nightgowns if you've got garments on? Once endowed, are you supposed to wear nightgowns with sleeves in them as well?

If the "cute nightgown" is intended as foreplay with your husband, lose the garment first. It's going away, anyway, until after you're all done. If you just want to wear the nightgown around the house, you might want to consider getting nightgowns that cover everything.

[estradling75]

The point that I was making is that you must have a current Temple Recommend in order to purchase garments. Whatever way they verify it is a moot point. I can only say that for each distribution center that I have purchased from (here in San Diego, Tempe AZ, three different distribution centers in Utah & the distribution center at the Laie Hawai'i Temple), the first words out their mouths were "can I see your Temple Recommend". Because I always have mine on me, I have never run into another way that they would use to verify it.

This has to be factually incorrect... One can be unworthy to hold a recommend and yet still be permitted to wear the garments. If you are allowed to wear the garments without a recommend then you need to be able to replace the garment without a recommend.

The recommend is simply a very common way to get the membership ID number

Edited June 3, 2011 by estradling75

[Iggy]

Being curious about garments, I went to look at them on line, but the lds site didn't recognize my number. I wonder if they've got it set up so that you have to be a member for a year (and therefore eligible for endowments and garments) before they let you look.

I understand wanting to restrict the info to members, but garments are so scary. The elders talked to me a bit about theirs, but hey, they're guys. I tried to find some info on line (some of the anti sites will talk about anything), and got a 'missionaries in garments' lite porn site. Yeah, takes all kinds, doesn't it? There is a picture of female garments on Wikipedia, but I understand there are different fabrics, etc and want to see the variety.

Is it true there aren't tank top garments for women? I like to wear tanks with a shirt over. Once I wear garments, can I still do this - the shirt would cover the cap sleeves - or does the first piece of clothing over the garment have to cover all of it? The curiosity has gotten so bad that all I do in RS is look for the outline of people's garments. I have a limited temple recommend and would certainly like to demystify the garment issue before taking the plunge.

Also, what is the point of wearing cute nightgowns if you've got garments on? Once endowed, are you supposed to wear nightgowns with sleeves in them as well? Someone really needs to tell converts about this stuff.

You have to be endowed before your membership number will work to let you in to see the garments.

There is nothing mysterious about the garment. Sheesh, people act as though it is like the old fashioned long johns one piece. Or a hairy, long sleeved, to the ankles monkey suit:taz:

There is not one thing scary about garments! They are just modest undergarments. Go ahead and wear your cute nightgown over your garments. Once you are in bed, you go right to sleep anyway. For intimate relations with your husband, you will not be wearing your garments- just like you do NOT wear them in the shower, or swimming.

For the women, in the Temple, before you go through the endowment session for the first time, you sit with the Temple Matron and she explains the more private and delicate things about garments. THAT is when you will have an opportunity to respectively ask your questions. That is also the time, that if you feel you can not comply with what will be asked of you, you can then decide NOT to get your endowments and to leave the temple.

When you go to the Temple the first time, go an hour or hour and a half early and go to the Distribution Center. That is where you will buy your garments the first time. Tell one of the sisters working there that your are to be receiving your endowments and she will take you into a smaller, private room and there she will show you all of the fabric types. She will also assist you in purchasing the correct size. If you plan on renting your Temple Whites, then you do that inside the Temple at the entrance to the dressing rooms. If you are planning on purchasing your Whites, then this sister will assist you in selecting the dress and other items.

I frequently wear sleeveless dresses - but I wear a jacket, blazer, blouse over it. Sometimes I wear a short sleeved top under the dress. Because I am a plus size woman, the more layers I wear the more uncomfortable warm I get, so, I cut about 5 or more inches off the bottom of the short sleeved top. I also don't wear full slips except with my Temple dress. Unless the dress is thin and will show too much if I am outlined in light, I don't wear any slip at all.

The younger sisters in my Branch wear dresses that have spaghetti straps, but they wear short sleeved tops underneath. They look so cute & comfortable. One sister wears bolero's she makes to compliment the dress and does away with the short sleeve top. She looks modest, chic, and comfortable. Wish I was 100+ pounds lighter so I could wear boleros too.

Dahlia, it is not scary or mysterious. Garments are way lighter than the habits Nuns wear, or the robes that Monks wear.

I do caution you to steer clear of the anti sites. For any info regarding temples and what goes on inside them, stick to lds.org, mormon.org and Jeff Lindsey dot com.

[Iggy]

If you just want to wear the nightgown around the house, you might want to consider getting nightgowns that cover everything.

Claification: Cover Everything = covers Garments.

[Just_A_Guy]

The point that I was making is that you must have a current Temple Recommend in order to purchase garments. Whatever way they verify it is a moot point. I can only say that for each distribution center that I have purchased from (here in San Diego, Tempe AZ, three different distribution centers in Utah & the distribution center at the Laie Hawai'i Temple), the first words out their mouths were "can I see your Temple Recommend". Because I always have mine on me, I have never run into another way that they would use to verify it.

Estradling pretty much covered it, but I will add that when I went garment shopping last month my recommend had been expired for over a month. Maybe different distribution centers have different policies in place. *shrug*

[O2BNSD]

I understand there are different fabrics, etc and want to see the variety.

Is it true there aren't tank top garments for women? I like to wear tanks with a shirt over. .

dahlia - the new Carinessa II top is perfect to wear with exercise clothes. It is more form fitting & is made from a material that 'wicks away' moisture. I tend to wear the Carinessa II garments for working in my scrubs (I work in the medical field) and they are a perfect fit under scrubs.

[LDSJewess]

@Dahlia, I think staying off the anti sites is an excellent suggestion. I can assure you some of the things posted on those sites regarding garments are false so you will not get reliable information there. If some of their photos were not so degrading and insulting they would almost be hilariously funny. I mean some of those sites were showing so galled garments with pentacles and all kinds of satanic symbols. You will find there is nothing so dramatic.

Also there are many fashionable clothes that can be worn over garments. I have always been interested in fashion and a big trend now that is a timeless look is shrugs or bolero type tops to be worn over tanks or sleeveless dresses. Also I found a new style tee shirt that is constructed like a regular tee shirt but with a sheer chiffon ruffle from the shouders covering the tee shirt sleeves. Very garment friendly and really cute. Love these prairie skirts that have come back in style, long and flowy and look great with the tanks and shrugs or the ruffle sleeve tee's.

@O2BNSD I will check with my ward clerk this weekend and get my member number and go from there. My last garments were a droopy cotton and very ill fitting. I am eager to try this new Carinessa fabric as I am athletic and like spandex like fabrics and a close fit. I also like the idea of buying separate sizes. My first garments were suggested by a matron at the Temple and we just went with regular medium on both pieces which never fitr right. I'm 5'7" and don't look petite but I am much larger on top and smaller on bottom as in a size 14 top and 4 bottom long torso and shorter legs. So an ideal fit according to sizing charts is an XS petite bottom and a med to large tall top. I think proper fit is the key.

[Guest saintish]

@Dahlia: when it comes time that you are elegible and/or thinking about recieving your endowments, find a friend or family member that can take you on the churches new clothing website. they show you the different styles and have pretty good pictures of the different materials.

I know that for me even after looking on line and even ordering and wearing some of the different styles and fabrics i still find myself changing my mind on what i like and don't like.

speeking about keeping your garments completly covered, what about guys who wear the crew tops under a unbuttoned polo shirt?