Garments and returning members?????

[Dravin]

If the "cute nightgown" is intended as foreplay with your husband, lose the garment first. It's going away, anyway, until after you're all done. If you just want to wear the nightgown around the house, you might want to consider getting nightgowns that cover everything.

Heck, if her son wasn't living with her she could just walk around in her garments. If it was just her at home (or was just her and her husband) then modesty issues are kinda moot and as long as she's wearing her garments (with the standard exceptions) it wouldn't matter how much or little of it she covered.

I don't wear night gowns so I don't know if they're used like pajamas in that you'd feel comfortable walking out into the living room to get a late night drink with family members watching TV or not. If you've gonna throw on a robe or something anyway then the above mootness of modesty still applies.

You pretty much implied all the above, I just felt like putting my Captain Obvious hat on.

Edited June 3, 2011 by Dravin

[lizzy16]

speeking about keeping your garments completly covered, what about guys who wear the crew tops under a unbuttoned polo shirt?

I'm also curios about that. My seminary teacher does this and he has a church job up keeping the church historical sites. It's always sorta miffed me.

[Dravin]

I've never seen anything wrong with that. But then I don't think the garment is something that will burn out the eyes of others. The crew neck contains no markings and is easily taken as a standard undershirt, which in my mind addresses the issue of, "The fabric which should not be seen".

Of course everyone needs to come to terms with how they wear the garment for themselves. Personally I wear swoop necks, but I've never considered a some garment peaking out above the neck line to be improper*. *shrug*

Not that one couldn't go overboard by wearing a button down and having it unbuttoned to their belly botton, but a polo with a a couple bottons undone? It makes me picture something like this (the showing of the undershirt, as pointed out the picture is not of a polo shirt):

Edit: For those curious, no, not a picture of me. :)

Edited June 3, 2011 by Dravin

[Iggy]

Not that one couldn't go overboard by wearing a button down and having it unbuttoned to their belly botton, but a polo with a couple bottons undone?

Just for claification, a polo shirt only has three buttons, max Polo shirt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

My youngest brother often goes without an outer shirt when he is home- not going to go outside. He is endowed. Quite frankly, unless one knows about the markings and has seen them before (on their own garments), they are not that noticible. Before I was endowed, I laundered my mothers garments and I never saw the markings. Nor did I see them on my younger brothers garments in the process of laundering them.

[beefche]

Goodness, dahlia, I wished we lived closer to each other. I've talked about garments with non-members and new members and even let them feel the fabric of the ones I wear.

The next time you go to the temple to do baptisms, ask to speak to a matron. You may get asked why you want to speak with her and I would just say, "I'd like to talk to her about some personal things relating to when I will be endowed." You can then ask her questions about garments (I've spent time asking about garments during menstrual cycles and how to handle).

If there is a woman in your ward you feel close to (RS Pres or VT?), then talk to her about it as well. Maybe she will be as brassy as me and let you feel the garments lines so you know where the sleeves end and bottoms end.

[Dravin]

Just for claification, a polo shirt only has three buttons, max Polo shirt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know, it's why I used the term 'button down' instead of polo when talking about having something unbuttoned down to one's belly button. :) Dress shirt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (note the also called), though in my mind a button down isn't limited to what I would consider a 'dress shirt', a Hawaiian shirt would qualify as a button down but not a dress shirt.

Though maybe it's the picture I posted that made ya want to clarify? 'Like this' was in reference to the showing of the undershirt, not the style of the shirt. Pictures of button downs with undershirts are easier to find than pictures of polo shirts with undershirts (polo shirts generally being thick enough to not call for them).

Edited June 3, 2011 by Dravin

[lizzy16]

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My youngest brother often goes without an outer shirt when he is home- not going to go outside. He is endowed. Quite frankly, unless one knows about the markings and has seen them before (on their own garments), they are not that noticible. Before I was endowed, I laundered my mothers garments and I never saw the markings. Nor did I see them on my younger brothers garments in the process of laundering them.

I've noticed them ever since I was younger. My parents walk around in there garments, I always assumed the markings were there to reinforce the area or had the same sort of purpose that darts on women blouses have. I think I was 12 before I realized how ridiculous that sounded and a bit later I babysat for a lady in my ward and she drove me home and we talked a bit and somehow ended up talking about the temple and garments :) At which point I understood a bit more. Nothing more then I should, just that they represented something. :)

[Iggy]

I know, it's why I used the term 'button down' instead of polo when talking about having something unbuttoned down to one's belly button. :) Dress shirt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (note the also called), though in my mind a button down isn't limited to what I would consider a 'dress shirt', a Hawaiian shirt would qualify as a button down but not a dress shirt.

Though maybe it's the picture I posted that made ya want to clarify? 'Like this' was in reference to the showing of the undershirt, not the style of the shirt. Pictures of button downs with undershirts are easier to find than pictures of polo shirts with undershirts (polo shirts generally being thick enough to not call for them).

Yeah, it was the picture - growing up, button down shirts were always called Oxfords. Found out that is actually a fabric. Men's civilian unnawares (sic) were called by my Dad & Mom "civies" and by my two Uncles "DVD's". Polo's don't unbutton down far enough to even show off the top hem of an undershirt. At least I don't think they do.

Any shirt that went on over the head were called "Pullovers".

[Vort]

Men's civilian unnawares (sic) were called by my Dad & Mom "civies" and by my two Uncles "DVD's".

"BVDs", perhaps? Or maybe your uncles were just way ahead of the game in video distribution (see porn thread). :)

[Iggy]

"BVDs", perhaps? Or maybe your uncles were just way ahead of the game in video distribution (see porn thread). :)

Oh. My. Word. It has been eons since I last heard that from my Uncles-like around 40-45 years! Yes it is BVD's- Husband and I were just talking about the new Netflix DVD's that came in the mail, that is probably why I typed D instead of B - THanks for correcting me, Vort.

[Backroads]

My husband often goes places in his military garment top and no one notices. In fact, because the markings are screenprinted on the inside and the color is this olive tone, nothing but knowledge would reveal it as a garment. In fact, I remember once being rather upset when dating him because he wasn't wearing his garments under his olive-toned shirt... until he explained what it was.

[Dravin]

My husband often goes places in his military garment top and no one notices. In fact, because the markings are screenprinted on the inside and the color is this olive tone, nothing but knowledge would reveal it as a garment. In fact, I remember once being rather upset when dating him because he wasn't wearing his garments under his olive-toned shirt... until he explained what it was.

Reminds me of talking with a LDS Chaplin while on my mission (incidentally he'd written a book that I owned, but of course I didn't have it with me to be annoying and ask for an autograph or something), we talked with him for a little bit in his kitchen and he was just standing there the whole time in his olive green top (he mentioned they were garments during the conversation).

[dahlia]

Heck, if her son wasn't living with her she could just walk around in her garments.

Wait - I can't wear garments in front of my son? Is that because he's not a member?

These days I tend to put on an old pair of knit pants and a shirt when hanging around the house so I can get the mail, answer the door, etc. and looked dressed, if not cute. So, I don't see a big problem with the garments being covered in general, but, my son has certainly seen me in my bra and panties - am I supposed to tell him to avert his eyes if I'm sitting in my room in garments that cover more than conventional underwear cover?

And just because it's been on my mind - would an LDS guy wear boxers over his garments? They make some really cute boxers these days. On the other hand, no undies other than garments would save a lot on Christmas and birthday presents...

[Vort]

Wait - I can't wear garments in front of my son? Is that because he's not a member?

These days I tend to put on an old pair of knit pants and a shirt when hanging around the house so I can get the mail, answer the door, etc. and looked dressed, if not cute. So, I don't see a big problem with the garments being covered in general, but, my son has certainly seen me in my bra and panties - am I supposed to tell him to avert his eyes if I'm sitting in my room in garments that cover more than conventional underwear cover?

And just because it's been on my mind - would an LDS guy wear boxers over his garments? They make some really cute boxers these days. On the other hand, no undies other than garments would save a lot on Christmas and birthday presents...

Now that my daughter is ten years old, I make some effort not to parade around in front of her in my underwear. I'm not sure there is anything wrong it it per se, especially considering that the garment is representative of something to cover our nakedness, but it feels sort of like running around naked. I'm fine with it in front of my wife (haven't worn pajamas since I was a child) and my sons, but with opposite sex children, it just seems kind of weird. But I suppose that's up to you to figure out. If your son ever expresses any discomfort, then I would certainly suggest that you spare his psyche and put on a bathrobe around him. :)

I never wear other underwear on top of the garment. I can't speak for all other LDS men, but I have never known of anyone else to do so. Can't think of a convincing reason why someone might want to do so. Maybe an athletic supporter for jogging or something, but you can get fairly tight, brief-style bottoms that hold everything in place pretty well. I don't see anything wrong with wearing "outerwear underwear" over the garment, just don't really see any call for it.

[O2BNSD]

@O2BNSD I will check with my ward clerk this weekend and get my member number and go from there. My last garments were a droopy cotton and very ill fitting. I am eager to try this new Carinessa fabric as I am athletic and like spandex like fabrics and a close fit. I also like the idea of buying separate sizes. My first garments were suggested by a matron at the Temple and we just went with regular medium on both pieces which never fitr right. I'm 5'7" and don't look petite but I am much larger on top and smaller on bottom as in a size 14 top and 4 bottom long torso and shorter legs. So an ideal fit according to sizing charts is an XS petite bottom and a med to large tall top. I think proper fit is the key.

You will be happy to know that there is spandex in the Carinessa II fabric, so they will definitely fit the bill for use with exercise clothing, etc. When you go to a distribution center, they have fabric swatches for you to examine & touch. They have the type of fabric that they are & the percentages of each type. You definitely can mix & match which makes it very easy for one to meet their needs. I have 4 different types to choose from depending on what I will be wearing & I am very pleased with each of them.

[Dravin]

Wait - I can't wear garments in front of my son? Is that because he's not a member?

As Vort gets at in most (though that's just a gut call, not like I've done a survey, but certainly in mine) family dynamics parents don't walk around in just their underwear in front of their older children of opposite sex and was what I was referencing. In mixed faith marriages (thus eliminating the family dynamics angle) for example, nobody (well, at least I, and I know several others here) wouldn't expect the endowed member to 'hide' their garments from their spouse.

Edit: As far as wearing boxers or something over my garments, no I wouldn't. If I'm wearing non-garment underwear it'd be in an effort to be sexy for my lady and thus I'd just remove the garments and wear the boxers instead (much like I imagine most LDS women wouldn't wear their lingerie with their garments at the same time).

Edited June 4, 2011 by Dravin

[Guest saintish]

My husband often goes places in his military garment top and no one notices. In fact, because the markings are screenprinted on the inside and the color is this olive tone, nothing but knowledge would reveal it as a garment. In fact, I remember once being rather upset when dating him because he wasn't wearing his garments under his olive-toned shirt... until he explained what it was.

I was changing once and someone asked me if i bought my underware from militaty clothing sells, in order to make a short conversation i just said yes. The Army clothing sells actually do have tan boxer briefs that look almost identical to the military style garment bottoms just a little shorter.

[LDSJewess]

Ok I followed the suggestions and advice and here is the definitive answer from LDS.org in Utah.

Member numbers are necessary to purchase garments.

Members can obtain their membership numbers from their ward clerk. I received a print out which has my name, date of birth, spouses name, childrens names and parents names, and my date of baptism, endowment and sealing. It does not indicate whether a members recommend is current.

So the answer is, to purchasee garments, membership required, endowment required, recommend current not required (with the EXCEPTION of someone going to Temple for the first time thus not yet endowed, in which case they would need a temple recommend and would buy at the Temple).

Anyway, thanks for the responses. Order in and awaiting this new Carenessa II fabrication.

[Vort]

Ok I followed the suggestions and advice and here is the definitive answer from LDS.org in Utah.

Member numbers are necessary to purchase garments.

Members can obtain their membership numbers from their ward clerk. I received a print out which has my name, date of birth, spouses name, childrens names and parents names, and my date of baptism, endowment and sealing. It does not indicate whether a members recommend is current.

So the answer is, to purchasee garments, membership required, endowment required, recommend current not required (with the EXCEPTION of someone going to Temple for the first time thus not yet endowed, in which case they would need a temple recommend and would buy at the Temple).

Anyway, thanks for the responses. Order in and awaiting this new Carenessa II fabrication.

Good luck!

[Guest saintish]

(with the EXCEPTION of someone going to Temple for the first time thus not yet endowed, in which case they would need a temple recommend and would buy at the Temple).

hate to keep this thread alive but that's not the case either. It is an option, but you can also have someone who is endowed (like a parent, Bishop, or Relief society Pres.) order them for you(online). This is the only option if your assigned temple does not have a distribution center.

[Javajot]

Well, I will have to disagree with that. Each and everytime that I have gone in to buy garments, they always ask for my Temple recommend. I just purchased another pair just last week and they asked for my Temple recommend at that time as well.

Well, I have to disagree with that.

I haven't held a temple recommend for over 6 years, yet I was able to purchase a whole bunch of new garments for my wife and myself recently. All without a recommend. At the temple. They asked for my recommend when I was checking out. I said I don't have one. They asked for my drivers license and looked up my info gave me the garments and sent me on my way.

Again - you do not need to have a current recommend in order to buy garments.

[LDSJewess]

Hi,

I'm the original poster, and I thank all of you for helping me get answers for my questions.

We had been inactive for a nunmber of years and upon coming back to church, I took someone's advice and asked the Ward Clerk for my membership number. He gave me a copy of my record. I was endowed but since I was inactive for a time do not have a current recommend.

In any event, I went to the LDS.ORG website and called them on the provided 800 numbder on the site. I gave them my membership number and ordered my garments with no problem and they have since arrived.

For someone else that mentioned the new Carinessa fabric, I took a chance and ordered them. I love the fabric and the fact that the chemise tops do not have seams across the bust line. I found that sizing ran a little large but with the help of the order person I was givent the correct sizing advice too.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

[O2BNSD]

Well, I have to disagree with that.

I haven't held a temple recommend for over 6 years, yet I was able to purchase a whole bunch of new garments for my wife and myself recently. All without a recommend. At the temple. They asked for my recommend when I was checking out. I said I don't have one. They asked for my drivers license and looked up my info gave me the garments and sent me on my way.

Again - you do not need to have a current recommend in order to buy garments.

Okay, once again I will reiterate that each & every time I have boughten my garments (here in San Diego, in Oahu, HI, Tempe, AZ & even in Salt Lake City, UT), the very first thing they asked me is to see my Recommend, since I always have my Recommend with me, it never goes beyond that first question. See, you, yourself even stated they they asked for your Recommend and since you did not have it, it went beyond that first question of asking you for it. That is the point that I have been making all along....yes, they do indeed ask for it. As far as, having to go beyond that question, well I've never had to go that route before. That's all that I have been stating all this time.

[bytebear]

I think it's just easier to use the recommend if you have one. It has your member ID, and it pretty much proves you are an endowed member.

[LDSJewess]

I think after reading all these posts the bottom line is if you buy your garments directly at the Temple, then you are asked to show your recommend. Then again, if you are at the Temple it is likely assumed that you have a current recommend.

When you order on the website or if you order by phone, then they just ask for your membership number, and of course looking up your member number would show if you were endowed or not.