So No One Forgets

[boyando]

I know that this thread is called "So No One Forgets", but I forgot what we were talking about. Let me know if we get back on subject.

[Maureen]

...Let me know if we get back on subject.

This isn't quite the same subject that Traveler started but still related to consequences of actions between Mormons and their Missouri neighbors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War

Contents

1 Background to the Conflict

2 The Compromise Breaks Down, 1838

3 The Salt Sermon and the Danites

4 The Gallatin Election Day Battle

5 Mormons Expelled from De Witt

6 Daviess Expedition

7 Battle of Crooked River

8 The Extermination Order

9 The Haun's Mill Massacre

10 The Siege of Far West and Capture of Church Leaders

11 Aftermath

12 See also

13 References

14 Online Sources

It's quite detailed. If you're a history lover, it's an interesting read.

M.

[boyando]

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...Let me know if we get back on subject.

This isn't quite the same subject that Traveler started but still related to consequences of actions between Mormons and their Missouri neighbors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War

Contents

1 Background to the Conflict

2 The Compromise Breaks Down, 1838

3 The Salt Sermon and the Danites

4 The Gallatin Election Day Battle

5 Mormons Expelled from De Witt

6 Daviess Expedition

7 Battle of Crooked River

8 The Extermination Order

9 The Haun's Mill Massacre

10 The Siege of Far West and Capture of Church Leaders

11 Aftermath

12 See also

13 References

14 Online Sources

It's quite detailed. If you're a history lover, it's an interesting read.

M.

Allthough it may seem like it was quite detailed, there was a lot left out. I'm sure it was to make it shorter.

[Maureen]

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...Let me know if we get back on subject.

This isn't quite the same subject that Traveler started but still related to consequences of actions between Mormons and their Missouri neighbors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War

Contents

1 Background to the Conflict

2 The Compromise Breaks Down, 1838

3 The Salt Sermon and the Danites

4 The Gallatin Election Day Battle

5 Mormons Expelled from De Witt

6 Daviess Expedition

7 Battle of Crooked River

8 The Extermination Order

9 The Haun's Mill Massacre

10 The Siege of Far West and Capture of Church Leaders

11 Aftermath

12 See also

13 References

14 Online Sources

It's quite detailed. If you're a history lover, it's an interesting read.

M.

Allthough it may seem like it was quite detailed, there was a lot left out. I'm sure it was to make it shorter.

I hope you actually clicked on the link and are not just referring to the titles in the Contents.

M.

[reyjamiei]

Thnigs like men holding the priesthood and women not being able really bothered me.

The only people that don't seem to be bothered by that are the women in the LDS Church. At least I've never known one to complain or want to be in the priesthood.

[miztrniceguy]

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...Let me know if we get back on subject.

This isn't quite the same subject that Traveler started but still related to consequences of actions between Mormons and their Missouri neighbors:

the problem i have with my neighbor in MO is they seem to think i have to get their approval for a backyard fence....told my wife to let him take a look at it first...we decided on a large hedge

[prisonchaplain]

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Thnigs like men holding the priesthood and women not being able really bothered me.

The only people that don't seem to be bothered by that are the women in the LDS Church. At least I've never known one to complain or want to be in the priesthood.

Insiders accept the order of things, or quietly work for change from within. It's outsiders, and perhaps investigators who are most likely to look at religious distinctives and ask, "Is that fair?"

[Traveler]

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Thnigs like men holding the priesthood and women not being able really bothered me.

The only people that don't seem to be bothered by that are the women in the LDS Church. At least I've never known one to complain or want to be in the priesthood.

I have a problem with statements that are not true. In Hebrew the word for Priesthood has male gender. A Priest is a male. A priestess is female. By definition a women cannot be ordained to a priesthood.

The second problem I have is that it is claimed the women in the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS are not ordained as priestess to perform ordinances. This is a lie and fabrication. Women are ordained and they perform ordinances - but they are different than the ordinances that are performed by men ordained as priests.

It has always been my understanding that ordinations on earth are temporary and that both men and women (if proven loyal to covenants) will serve in the kingdom of heaven as priests and priestesses.

Because this doctrine is taught in the temple many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS do not know how to discuss it openly. I have not made any reference to the temple that is not in material openly published but I suggest that this topic cannot be discussed in detail. My only point is to bring to the attention of this forum that there are lies being circulated about doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS - and I ask that such false doctrine not continue.

Thanks

The Traveler

[boyando]

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...Let me know if we get back on subject.

This isn't quite the same subject that Traveler started but still related to consequences of actions between Mormons and their Missouri neighbors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_War

Contents

1 Background to the Conflict

2 The Compromise Breaks Down, 1838

3 The Salt Sermon and the Danites

4 The Gallatin Election Day Battle

5 Mormons Expelled from De Witt

6 Daviess Expedition

7 Battle of Crooked River

8 The Extermination Order

9 The Haun's Mill Massacre

10 The Siege of Far West and Capture of Church Leaders

11 Aftermath

12 See also

13 References

14 Online Sources

It's quite detailed. If you're a history lover, it's an interesting read.

M.

Allthough it may seem like it was quite detailed, there was a lot left out. I'm sure it was to make it shorter.

I hope you actually clicked on the link and are not just referring to the titles in the Contents.

M.

I did actually go there. And I do know that I have done most of my reading from the Mormon point of veiw. I just find it interesting that they talked about Danites, signing a pact and left out the packs that the anti-Mormon mobs, signed and put in the local news paper.

I'm not sure if there ever were any "Danites" from what I have read. For now I'll take wikapedia's word for it. I can asure you, they bearly scratched the surface of the story.

[shanstress70]

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Thnigs like men holding the priesthood and women not being able really bothered me.

The only people that don't seem to be bothered by that are the women in the LDS Church. At least I've never known one to complain or want to be in the priesthood.

Honestly, I never complained about it until after I left. Funny that I heard that so much from men in the church... but how would that go over if some sister said that she thinks she should hold the priesthood, or that the church is sexist? I think some sort of disciplinary action would be in the works.

[Dr T]

Wouldn't women be the ones that it would bother? No skin off the back of men. Or is it?

[boyando]

Wouldn't women be the ones that it would bother? No skin off the back of men. Or is it?

The Priesthood is the right from God to serve other's. There is alway's exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, men need to be reminded to be compassionate. I know that we can look at individuals and say that it is not true in every case, but there does seem to be the right to serve other's, inherent, in Motherhood.

This does not mean that every soul on earth, doesn't have the right too serve those around them. You can be without child and a male and exercise extreme compassion.

The Priesthood give's the right to worthy male member's, to do things like bless and pass the sacrament and by doing so, allow other's too renew the covanent's that they made at Baptism. The reward is the same for those who bless and those who take the sacrament, the opportunity to be renewed.

There are many more exsample's of how those who hold the Priesthood can serve other's, but the reward is alway's the same. If I give a Blessing of health to someone, my reward is the knowledge that I am serving God by serving others. I can not give myself a Blessing of health, by the power of the Priesthood.

More to come later - Allmosthumble

[Dr T]

Thanks for your thoughts, Allmosthumble. As you said, "not only males can be compassionate." Because of that fact, I'll wait for your further reply to show why females are not capable of the characteristics that males are (as is implied by excluding females). I'm sure that is not the reason but I look forward to hearing more.

Thanks

Dr. T

[boyando]

Thanks for your thoughts, Allmosthumble. As you said, "not only males can be compassionate." Because of that fact, I'll wait for your further reply to show why females are not capable of the characteristics that males are (as is implied by excluding females). I'm sure that is not the reason but I look forward to hearing more.

Thanks

Dr. T

I hope that you will forgive my crass parable.

There once was a editor for a newspaper who was very wise. He could size up an employee and let them know were there talents were strongest. Soon the newspaper was running smoothly, everyone doing the task the editor told them to do, so the editor went on vacation.

Soon, everyone decided to think that they know how to run the paper, while the boss was gone. A photographer decided that he could write the story and showed some talent, but there was no one to take pictures and there was too many reporter's. The man who ran the press, had always wanted to be a accountant, but then there was no one to print the paper.

This is not a perfect parable so I hope you will draw the conclusion that will help. Thanks for reading - Allmosthumble

[Dr T]

Too deep for my feeble mind, Allmosthumble.

[boyando]

Too deep for my feeble mind, Allmosthumble.

Dr T;

It's me, not you.