apexviper13 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I was asked this and was just curious if we do or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 In LDS-speak, "saints" are those who have entered into the baptismal covenant with Christ. Thus, by definition only LDS members are "saints". Catholics have an entirely different meaning for the word "saints", one that does not make sense in an LDS context. We do not recognize the Catholic saints as possessing any saving or intercessory power and we do not pray to them or condone any such action. But we acknowledge as a matter of historical fact that the Catholic Church reveres them as "saints", with all the meaning that Catholicism attaches to that designation. In effect, your question is like asking whether Latter-day Saints recognize the Pope as the Pope. Well, yes, we do, in the sense that the Pope leads the RCC and we recognize him as the RCC leader. But in the Catholic sense that the Pope is Christ's emissary on the earth and is infallible in his Papal declarations, then no, of course we do not believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 To back up Vort, the LDS concept of Saint: Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan117 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 They reject every single believe and doctrine we have. Our church sin't Christian, our baptisms aren't Christian and therefor not "valid" because we don't embrace the Trinity. Now, when you say "we" are you talking about the church or the members on the forum" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) They reject every single believe and doctrine we have.Hyperbole much? What about the divinity of Christ? The existence of God? That killing people for random jollies is double plus not good?Our church sin't Christian, our baptisms aren't Christian and therefor not "valid" because we don't embrace the Trinity. And Mormons believe Catholic baptisms aren't valid because their priesthood is fake. *gasp*You aren't the only one who can phrase things in a scandalized fashion. Edited September 7, 2011 by Dravin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexviper13 Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Okie dokie. Thanks people. In other words no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I always thought I agreed with Vort's answer. The only hitch I can find, is that we use the KJV version of the Bible, which is full of "The Epistle of Saint James" and such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gopecon Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The saints in the Bible (Peter, James, John, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, etc.) DO fit Vort's definition of Saints. They were baptized by authority and given the priesthood, just as current Latter Day Saints have been given the authority to perform ordinances in His name. We part ways with the Catholic saints who came after priesthood authority was lost. Obviously we don't pray to or seek guidance from any of them beyond what was written and saved in the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I was asked this and was just curious if we do or not.Who do you mean?We Catholics, or we non-Catholics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameumptom Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I believe many of the Catholic Saints are saintly people. Just look at the wonderful works of St Ignatius of Loyola, St Francis of Assisi, and the future saint Mother Theresa. I would be honored to be classed in with such wonderful people as they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Look at the usage in the Bible, and decide for yourself how it should be used:Scriptures Search Results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Look at the usage in the Bible, and decide for yourself how it should be used:Scriptures Search ResultsOf course, it isn't a matter of how the term "should" be used; it's a matter of how various peoples actually use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveVH Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 In Catholicism, a saint is merely one who is in heaven. No one is referred to as a saint that is still living, though it is not difficult to guess who they may be. We are all called to be saints, canonized or not. As part of the canonization process, a Catholic saint has had to go through a rigorous process and must have demostrated that they are in heaven through verified miracles due to their intercession. The Vatican even has a bishop called "devils advocate" (no kidding) that does his best to disprove purported miracles. People from outside of the Church such as physicians are called in for the purpose of establishing that something was a supernatural event with no natural explanation. There is a woman, who was still living in the past 20 years or so, who was born without pupils and was therefore, obviously, completley blind. Her mother prayed for St. Padre Pio's intercession and the girl (at that time) was given the gift of sight. However, she still had no pupils. Those are the kinds of things that constitute miracles. Anyway, there are many more saints than those who are officially canonized and as I said, it applies to anyone who has attained heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_J Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 I was asked this and was just curious if we do or not.Latter-day Saints use "saint" to refer to a member of the Church, those who are in Christ, in accord with the Biblical teaching. Following this definition, no, we do not recognize Catholic "saints" as "saints" (nor do we recognize Orthodox saints as such either). However, we do not discount people who reverence God in any faith. While they may not have had the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they certainly can (and have) exercised faith in Christ, and we don't believe that God limits His interactions with only those that are part of the Church of Jesus Christ. As rameumptom said, many of them were "saintly" people (as are found in various other faiths). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mirancs8 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 St. Joseph help me sell my house several years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jollyroger Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Okie dokie. Thanks people. In other words no.Just like you said, the quick answer is 'no'!. Edited September 12, 2011 by jollyroger missed a word out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I was asked this and was just curious if we do or not.Depends how they lived and if ordinances have been done for them, also depends how an individual uses the term...But technically no as the LDS and catholic context for saint differ a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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