ADoyle90815 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 I thought this deserved its own thread.US redefines rape to count more people as victims Quote
ADoyle90815 Posted January 8, 2012 Author Report Posted January 8, 2012 Hopefully this will lead to more rapes being reported, such as in cases where a man is raped by a woman. Quote
annewandering Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 It is amazing how strictly defined it was before. Its about time they started to include all, or at least more, kinds of rapes. I bet the stats just go up out of sight now. Quote
dahlia Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 I bet the stats just go up out of sight now.Yes. All the more reason for people to question others on what stats they are using. I can just see some of the feminists saying that 'rape' is up 40% (and probably using the stat to get some fed money for their programs or justify male-bashing in schools) without noting that the stats now include men.What is the saying, there are 'lies, da^ned lies, and statistics'? Quote
HoosierGuy Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 I have found the push to include men being raped by women to be from far right men who are ticked off at women, usually because they have to pay child support or the wife got half the mans savings during the divorce. What grown man is raped by a woman? I've yet to see a woman that could rap any man I've seen. I'm not saying there are not physically strong women. But all this push to include men is really an attack on women by the right wing that have a deep down hatred for women, or at least want to control them. Quote
Mahone Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 I have found the push to include men being raped by women to be from far right men who are ticked off at women, usually because they have to pay child support or the wife got half the mans savings during the divorce. What grown man is raped by a woman? I've yet to see a woman that could rap any man I've seen. I'm not saying there are not physically strong women. But all this push to include men is really an attack on women by the right wing that have a deep down hatred for women, or at least want to control them.What about those same men under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol? What about men raping men? Quote
NeuroTypical Posted January 8, 2012 Report Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) What grown man is raped by a woman?I can help you with your ignorance, HG. It isn't about overpowering a man down and forcing him. It's about power games, humiliation, manipulation, blackmail or other leverage, and other lovely tricks. Yes, it also can involve drugging a guy, or taking advantage of a drunk guy.Grown men, adolescents, teenage males - it happens. Only a fraction as often as males rape, but yeah, it happens. And yeah, the victims often suffer incredible shame, often because they think like you - what kind of real man would let himself get raped?I don't know anything about the push you're talking about. The only person I know talking about it is Vort. Maybe he could speak to your claim. Edited January 8, 2012 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote
HoosierGuy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 What about those same men under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol? What about men raping men? I've never seen a news story locally of any man being rapped by another man. Men raping women - yes. I'm sure it happens tho. I'm not saying it does not 100% happen. I'm saying there are a lot of divorced men and a good number of them have to pay monthly payments and they act like it kills them even though they brought kids to this earth. Whenever I've heard men say laws need to be tougher to include women raping men it's usually from men who are highly ticked off because they are paying child support. Quote
prisonchaplain Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 What grown man is raped by a woman? I previously mentioned that in 1991, in Orange County, 8% of the reported rapes were reportedly women molesting men. Obviously that's an old statistic from one year and one county. However, even if its 3%, that's the same as the % of homosexuals, and look how much attention that community gets? Why shouldn't they be included?Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if a fair number of females raping males involved older women raping very young men. Just speculation, but it's not hard to imagine. Quote
annewandering Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Can you imagine how demeaning it would seem to be to a man to admit he was raped by a woman? Hardly surprising that its an under reported crime. It is hard for a man to admit he has been raped at all, by man or woman. It shows him to be 'weak' and of course the jokes are going to be said about him lying if raped by a woman and gay in the case of being raped by a man. Remember that poor missionary in England that was humiliated because he was kidnapped, imprisoned and raped? What sane person is going to tell anyone if that is the reaction they KNOW they will get? Oh and bringing politics into it just makes the whole situation impossible. Quote
prisonchaplain Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I've never seen a news story locally of any man being rapped by another man. Men raping women - yes. I'm sure it happens tho. I'm not saying it does not 100% happen. I'm saying there are a lot of divorced men and a good number of them have to pay monthly payments and they act like it kills them even though they brought kids to this earth. Whenever I've heard men say laws need to be tougher to include women raping men it's usually from men who are highly ticked off because they are paying child support. Considering that the divorce and cheating rates are very similar between Republicans and Democrats (Are Republicans More Likely to Have Affairs and Get Divorces? ? The Monkey Cage), I'm wondering if this anger-at-child-support motive you mention is a "right-wing" thing, a male irresponsiblity thing, or whether there is really no correlation at all? Quote
HoosierGuy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Considering that the divorce and cheating rates are very similar between Republicans and Democrats (Are Republicans More Likely to Have Affairs and Get Divorces? ? The Monkey Cage), I'm wondering if this anger-at-child-support motive you mention is a "right-wing" thing, a male irresponsiblity thing, or whether there is really no correlation at all? I could be wrong saying it's only from the right. I'll say from the right and non-political. But they all have one thing in common - anger. They are angry they have to pay their former wives/girlfriends. Quote
Soulsearcher Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I can't speak for the women raping men, but i can speak to men raping men. When I'm out at a club i can't ever turn away from my drink or accept a drink i don't see poured because of the chances of it being spiked. It's common enough that drugs get slipped in drinks at some of the clubs i visit that you just have to be smart about it. The reasons for drugging the drinks are pretty few and the main one is to get a guy in the position he can't resist or say no. Quote
annewandering Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I think its weird to correlate discounting rape because of anger at exwives and political leanings. Kindly explain the logic of that. Quote
HoosierGuy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I can't speak for the women raping men, but i can speak to men raping men. When I'm out at a club i can't ever turn away from my drink or accept a drink i don't see poured because of the chances of it being spiked. It's common enough that drugs get slipped in drinks at some of the clubs i visit that you just have to be smart about it. The reasons for drugging the drinks are pretty few and the main one is to get a guy in the position he can't resist or say no. So why would you go to a club in the first place? You know the dangers - stay away. Quote
annewandering Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 So why would you go to a club in the first place? You know the dangers - stay away.If he goes, even if he is careful, and is raped is it his fault? Quote
HoosierGuy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 If he goes, even if he is careful, and is raped is it his fault? If you go to a place you KNOW you have to watch out for your drink being drugged, I would say he's a fool to go and he's asking for trouble. Asking for trouble. Quote
JudoMinja Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I've known two men that have been raped by a woman. Both refused to testify, partially because they were too ashamed to admit they'd been raped. The only reason I even know about it is because the circumstances surrounding both rapes involved one of my family members, and if either had gone to court I would have been asked to testify. Unfortunately, the woman involved got away with nothing more than assault charges in one case and nothing in the other. I'm hoping that this will help men who have been through this horrible experience to feel there is a greater support network out there for them and more willing to speak up and seek out criminal charges against the woman at fault. Quote
Soulsearcher Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 So why would you go to a club in the first place? You know the dangers - stay away.I go to have fun, to listen to music and to dance and interact with people in my community. I know the dangers and i know how to avoid the dangers. One knows driving comes with many dangers and yet very few people avoid driving because of said dangers. If we lived life avoiding any and all dangers I'm not sure we'd be calling it living at all. Common sense is a wonderful thing when people actually use it. Quote
Dravin Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I could be wrong saying it's only from the right. I'll say from the right and non-political. But they all have one thing in common - anger. They are angry they have to pay their former wives/girlfriends.Except to my knowledge rape does not negate parental requirements of support. That includes statutory rape, if a female teacher sleeps with a 14 year old and gets pregnant he's on the hook. The reasoning being the child is obligated to support and had nothing to do with the criminal act. Now if they are arguing that being raped means they shouldn't owe support or it should enable them to (legally speaking) demand an abortion then your description may be accurate.And of course anger at alimony or the division of resources as a result of divorce (as opposed to child support) is a entirely different issue. Quote
Guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) I could be wrong saying it's only from the right. I'll say from the right and non-political. But they all have one thing in common - anger. They are angry they have to pay their former wives/girlfriends.So why type something on a post before thinking anything through? And for your information, there is a big-muscle guy at the university who got gang raped by a bunch of college women with his male genitalia made fun of and toys used on his you-know-what, all started after he drank something one of the girls offered him at a party. Of course he's not suing because of people like you who can't seem to get it into their heads that muscle is not everything. It's so sad that it didn't even warrant a byline on the news. Sure, you can offer your ignorant opinions on anger and what-not until it happens to you.Now, I expect you to fully offer a retraction of your first post. But, I won't hold my breath. Edited January 10, 2012 by beefche Quote
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