isaiah28 Posted October 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 It is interesting to me and perhaps a bit of human nature that most focus on the negative. There are many positives things that will occur. Since there are many positive things that exist in LDS scriptures - I will leave this as an exercise for the readers. In particular pay attention to the gatherings that will take place among the gentiles. The other thing I suggest we focus on is the separation of Babylon from a "remnant" of Zion. In ancient times the concept of remnant has significance associated with "salvation" or the salvage and separating that which is of value from the dross. It is the dross that is destroyed. There are some interesting scripture symbols concerning what is dross and labeled for destruction and what is labeled of value to be redeemed.Indeed! These include 2 Nephi 5:5-6 ... Omni 1:12-13, 5-6 ... Alma the Elder ... Lehi ... the brother of Jared ... and then there are the many prophecies of Zion as well.The Book of Mormon teaches by history-example as well as in plain prophecy. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bizabra Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 How come NEVER wasn't an option in the poll? Anyway, I vote NEVER, since Jesus, IF he existed, was a man. And we only get one shot at life, dudes. Armageddon is a fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 And you know that for a fact how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted October 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 How come NEVER wasn't an option in the poll?Anyway, I vote NEVER, since Jesus, IF he existed, was a man. And we only get one shot at life, dudes.Armageddon is a fantasy.Since you believe you know so much, perhaps you could tell me ...Who owns the Federal Reserve? Who prints your money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 He could tell you... ... but then he'd have to kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 ...Who prints your money?I know he wasn't asking me, but I'll anwer anyway - the Bank of Canada!M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bizabra Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>How come NEVER wasn't an option in the poll?Anyway, I vote NEVER, since Jesus, IF he existed, was a man. And we only get one shot at life, dudes.Armageddon is a fantasy.Since you believe you know so much, perhaps you could tell me ...Who owns the Federal Reserve? Who prints your money?BIZ: YOU believe also that "you know so much". Why is YOUR opinion any more THE TRUTH than mine, eh? And what the heck does the Federal Reserve and money printing have to do with this? Weird. . . . .. . . .He could tell you...... but then he'd have to kill you.BIZ: I'm a chick, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 And what the heck does the Federal Reserve and money printing have to do with this?In time, you will know.Meanwhile if you were to study the developments of China, the planting and growth of Communism, or even just the plans of them that propagated the philosophy that you believe, you would also know.Until then, here's a hint:"The only thing new under the sun is the history you don't know" -- Harry Truman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Conspiracy theory is one of my favorite movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushka Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 For all your favourite Conspiracy Theory Threads:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Right on, Snow. And if history is any guide, all of our FIRST GOINGS will preceed Christ's SECOND COMING. Also, since christians have been wrong about the second coming for almost 2000 years, why should we think that, all of a sudden, someone has it right? And we Mormons already have our track record of getting it wrong, so I guess we have just joined the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushka Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Welcome back Cal! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted November 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 What manner of Christians are those that persecute other Christians who watch for the Lord's Coming? Who shall declare this generation of apathetic pharasees laden with vanity? With an impervious heart they turn aside the just for a thing of naught. They seek the Lord with their lips but seek not the Lord, neither seek themselves learning. Notwithstanding this, the Lord will grant them the desires of their hearts for a season. They shall rail, and none shall reciprocate. They shall hiss, and none shall stay their mouths. And then cometh to pass that which they have not considered, and in that day they shall spurn in the midst of the air, and cry in the streets to plea. They shall stay themselves and wonder- O Zion, where hast thou fled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Isaiah, why don't you give us some context? Tell us what's on your heart. If you are warning us that the return of Christ is imminent, I'm with you. However, thus far I'm wondering where you're going with this thread. Label me confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 What manner of Christians are those that persecute other Christians who watch for the Lord's Coming?Who shall declare this generation of apathetic pharasees laden with vanity? With an impervious heart they turn aside the just for a thing of naught. They seek the Lord with their lips but seek not the Lord, neither seek themselves learning. Notwithstanding this, the Lord will grant them the desires of their hearts for a season. They shall rail, and none shall reciprocate. They shall hiss, and none shall stay their mouths. And then cometh to pass that which they have not considered, and in that day they shall spurn in the midst of the air, and cry in the streets to plea. They shall stay themselves and wonder- O Zion, where hast thou fled?The people that left us the Dead Sea Scrolls were very much concerned with what the scriptures said about the Messiah, they were doing all that they could to be ready and pure when the Messiah came. They even knew with in a few years when the Messiah would be born. They knew all the signs - what more could they have done or been doing? Yet when the Messiah came they seemed to have missed him (at least the majority did).What are you doing more than they? Why do you think you know more than others what to expect and how to be ready?The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnie G Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 I dont see it happening in my life time. the gosple must first reach the whole earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 "apathetic pharasees" I've never put those two concepts together. Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 I dont see it happening in my life time. the gosple must first reach the whole earth.We are probably the generation that will see every tribe and nation receive the gospel. Also, if the disciples--especially John--were convinced Jesus could return at any time, then we ought to have the same mindset. Finally, Jesus said to keep watch, be ready, etc.--so, I'm cautious of reading into prophecies anything that would suggest we can be confident he won't come for awhile because something has not yet happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted November 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 We are probably the generation that will see every tribe and nation receive the gospel. Also, if the disciples--especially John--were convinced Jesus could return at any time, then we ought to have the same mindset. Finally, Jesus said to keep watch, be ready, etc.--so, I'm cautious of reading into prophecies anything that would suggest we can be confident he won't come for awhile because something has not yet happened.Thank you prisonchaplain - this is basically what I'm trying to get at ... regarding watching for the Lord's coming.My above post was on the topic of: those not watching for His coming will end up caught with their pants down and find themselves among the 5 virgins without oil in their lamps (which also tend to persecute those watching ... like the Nephites in the Book of Mormon). With this in mind, one can then understand my last post :)One thing we do know from the Bible - it will happen 'as a thief in the night' and only those watching for His coming will be prepared for it. I'm fairly certain these are they who comprise Zion in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazius Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Along the theme of this thread, I'm curious about more LDS doctrine. My question is, does the LDS Church teach the unannounced rapture of all believers prior to the second coming of Christ? thank you, blazius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted November 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Along the theme of this thread, I'm curious about more LDS doctrine.My question is, does the LDS Church teach the unannounced rapture of all believers prior to the second coming of Christ?thank you,blaziusYes. There is still speculation on when, but many scholars believe the rapture will occur after the 42 months (1,260 days) of tribulation, just prior to when the entire earth is cleansed by fire. Also, we teach that there will be MANY that are not-LDS alive on the earth when the Savior comes. This entails that there will be many non-LDS among Zion and involved in the rapture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionHeart Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>Wher does the 10 year figure come from?Thanks.L.H.RKY forums. I say *about* because it could be anywhere from 5-15 years. :)I'm interested in learning more about this time frame. What is the RKY forums? And how can I learn more about it?Thanks.L.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazius Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Yes. There is still speculation on when, but many scholars believe the rapture will occur after the 42 months (1,260 days) of tribulation, just prior to when the entire earth is cleansed by fire. Also, we teach that there will be MANY that are not-LDS alive on the earth when the Savior comes. This entails that there will be many non-LDS among Zion and involved in the rapture.If many non-LDS are raptured, where will they go? And, why would the Lord take non-LDS?thanks for the help,blazius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaiah28 Posted November 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 If many non-LDS are raptured, where will they go? And, why would the Lord take non-LDS?thanks for the help,blaziusEther 4:13-19.It's your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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