Paul Ryan: Donald Trump can help us make our agenda a reality

[anatess2]

I thought of posting this in @Vort's thread but thought it's worthy of its own thread.  Maybe @prisonchaplain, @MormonGator, and @Just_A_Guy would be interested in seeing this.

Paul Ryan after much study and meetings with Donald Trump finally endorsed him.  This came as a surprise to me.  I was very sure it will take him all the way to the convention if not beyond before he voices his support.  No, I didn't think at all that he wouldn't support him.  Like Gingrich has expressed (paraphrased from memory):  "Ryan is a studied and serious guy".  He will take his time to figure out what a Trump Presidency will mean to the country.  After my own study of Trump, I predicted Ryan will come to the same conclusion as Gingrich.

I have stated a lot of times here on lds.net.  I love Paul Ryan.  I love his wonkiness.  Even after he got broad-brushed as the "establishment".  The Republicans have done a great job pushing him to the speakership.  What he said about this endorsement solidifies my opinion of what a great asset he is to the American federal government.

Ryan pull quotes:

1.)  Sure, count us among the majority of Americans upset with the direction our country is headed. But that’s not enough. We agreed that we must focus less on what we’re against and more on what we’re for. So, long before we knew who our nominee would be, we decided we would present the country a policy agenda that offers a better way forward. We know what we believe in, so let’s bring it to the country.

2.)    The concept from the start was simple: If we had a Republican president ready to sign bills into law, what would we do?

This month, we’ll show the country what a better tax code looks like. We’ll outline a plan not just for repealing Obamacare but replacing it with a better system, more focused on patients, choices and lower costs. We’ll offer a plan to restore the Constitution and the separation of powers that decades of executive overreach have eroded. We’ll present the ideal national security and foreign policy to keep Americans safe. We’ll show how we can reform rules and regulations so they’re spurring the economy and creating jobs, not destroying them. And we’ll offer a better way to help lift people out of poverty and into lives of self-determination.

It will be a positive, optimistic vision for a more confident America.

3.)  To enact these ideas, we need a Republican president willing to sign them into law. That’s why, when he sealed the nomination, I could not offer my support for Donald Trump before discussing policies and basic principles.

As I said from the start, my goal has been to unite the party so we can win in the fall. And if we’re going to unite, it has to be over ideas.

4.) Donald Trump and I have talked at great length about things such as the proper role of the executive and fundamental principles such as the protection of life. The list of potential Supreme Court nominees he released after our first meeting was very encouraging.

5.) Through these conversations, I feel confident he would help us turn the ideas in this agenda into laws to help improve people’s lives. That’s why I’ll be voting for him this fall.

 

 

 

[Guest MormonGator]

You know how I feel about Trump. This changes nothing. 

[anatess2]

2 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

You know how I feel about Trump. This changes nothing. 

Stubborn mule.  Errr... Gator. 

[prisonchaplain]

This, combined with his list of 11 judges helps.  Then there is the reality that I have almost no reason to pull the HRC lever, and that Sanders is not a grandpa-socialist-lite, but rather a full-blown, unapologetic one...it's just a question of how much aspirin and nose surgery I'm going to need afterwards.

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

This, combined with his list of 11 judges helps.  Then there is the reality that I have almost no reason to pull the HRC lever, and that Sanders is not a grandpa-socialist-lite, but rather a full-blown, unapologetic one...it's just a question of how much aspirin and nose surgery I'm going to need afterwards.

You live in Washington state but you aren't a socialist. Quit lying PC. 

 

(totally playing my friend)  

[anatess2]

47 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

You live in Washington state but you aren't a socialist. Quit lying PC. 

 

(totally playing my friend)  

I thought it was Vort that lives in Washington state?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MormonGator said:

You know how I feel about Trump. This changes nothing. 

I still feel like we're all unknowingly cast in the biggest, stupidest, most expensive episode of "Punk'd" ever. 

[Guest MormonGator]

6 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

I still feel like we're all unknowingly cast in the biggest, stupidest, most expensive episode of "Punk'd" ever. 

It's more like "Jackass", to be honest. 

[Guest]

No mod action because it's in the Bible.

[Guest MormonGator]

2 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

No mod action because it's in the Bible.

  I was in first grade when I heard the priest say that word. I then asked my dad why a priest could say a word I couldn't. 

[Guest MormonGator]

But in the interest of full disclosure I found that show simultaneously disgusting and absolutely hilarious. Give me a break, I was in college at at time it aired.  

[Just_A_Guy]

Ryan's column boils down to "I trust Trump".  Maybe he does--but I don't; and I think it's worth noting that even Trump's biggest supporters have acknowledged (in some cases, crowed about) his ability to . . . er . . . influence elected officials.

Trump remains a terrible human being; a crony capitalist at heart with a highly questionable vision for the country's future and a lousy history of allegiance to fundamental conservative principles.  Paul Ryan does not--can not--change that.  President Obama's statement about lipstick and pigs seems rather fitting in this scenario.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Just_A_Guy

[prisonchaplain]

4 hours ago, anatess2 said:

I thought it was Vort that lives in Washington state?

Vort esta acqui tambien

[Vort]

2 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

Vort esta acqui tambien

Somos hermanos de lluvia.

[prisonchaplain]

1 hour ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Ryan's column boils down to "I trust Trump".  Maybe he does--but I don't; and I think it's worth noting that even Trump's biggest supporters have acknowledged (in some cases, crowed about) his ability to . . . er . . . influence elected officials.

Trump remains a terrible human being; a crony capitalist at heart with a highly questionable vision for the country's future and a lousy history of allegiance to fundamental conservative principles.  Paul Ryan does not--can not--change that.  President Obama's statement about lipstick and pigs seems rather fitting in this scenario.

In the words of all the great leaders, "Don't be a problem presenter...give me alternative solutions."

And in the words of that great non-LDS LDS.net moderator, "Sometimes there ain't none."

[anatess2]

9 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Ryan's column boils down to "I trust Trump".  Maybe he does--but I don't; and I think it's worth noting that even Trump's biggest supporters have acknowledged (in some cases, crowed about) his ability to . . . er . . . influence elected officials.

Trump remains a terrible human being; a crony capitalist at heart with a highly questionable vision for the country's future and a lousy history of allegiance to fundamental conservative principles.  Paul Ryan does not--can not--change that.  President Obama's statement about lipstick and pigs seems rather fitting in this scenario.

Sure.  You don't have to trust him.  But let's take the Supreme Court Justices list for an example... he presented a list.  It is a good list.  You're thinking... oh, but he won't really nominate them.  Well, maybe he will, maybe he won't.  But, chances are, he will... (because, why bother coming up with a list?).  So, then all we have to worry about is the nominee getting Congressional approval.  Well, the Art of the Deal dude won't nominate someone just to give up on them that easy at the approval process even through the stonewalling dems.  That guy hates to lose... it's a pride thing (something that is great when it's on our camp.  America First is a matter of pride for him).

Now, pit that against Hillary.  There is ZERO chance she'll pick any of these people on the list.  By the way, where's her list?  Your best case scenario on that end is Garland wears Scalia's robes.  Now, you know why Obama picked Garland... the end-game is to overturn Columbia v Heller.  Hillary has expressed unity with that end-game.  So then you have to battle that nomination in Congress for..... 4, maybe 8 years!

You're willing to risk Hillary becoming President over the chance that Trump might not pick one from this list or anybody like unto it and fight the dems over the approval?

This Ryan endorsement is critical.  This shows that Ryan finds a path towards getting his agenda through to law with Trump that he doesn't find with Hillary.  A President Trump with Ryan holding Congress is a winning ticket.  So you might say... but we're gonna lose Congress with Trump... well, I don't think that's gonna happen this go round.  There are a ton of Republicans all fired up.

Edited June 3, 2016 by anatess2

[Guest MormonGator]

18 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

 

This Ryan endorsement is critical. 

No, it's totally useless. The same people who like Trump don't like Ryan anyway, and vice versa. In politics endorsements only matter to those whose mind is already made up. It's like watching a debate or an online forum. The guy you liked before won and the guy you didn't like lost.  In fact, I've never heard someone say "Wow. This guy endorsed x, that changes my mind." Anyone who follows politics knows that endorsements can actually hurt. 

Edited June 3, 2016 by MormonGator

[anatess2]

8 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Wrong. In politics endorsements only matter to those whose mind is already made up. It's like watching a debate. The guy you liked before won and the guy you didn't like lost.  In fact, I've never heard someone say "Wow. This guy endorsed x, that changes my mind." Anyone who follows politics knows that endorsements can actually hurt. 

Sure.  If that was anybody else but Paul Ryan.  Paul Ryan is a wonky guy.  I've studied him in 2012.  He's one of these idealistic guys that have not gotten sucked up into the abyss of politics in his desire to get the government working.

Edited June 3, 2016 by anatess2

[Guest MormonGator]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

Sure.  If that was anybody else but Paul Ryan.

Well as much as you've :: ahem :: "studied" Paul Ryan it still doesn't matter. There are a lot of "wonky" guys in politics and their endorsements don't matter either. 

[anatess2]

2 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Well as much as you've :: ahem :: "studied" Paul Ryan it still doesn't matter. There are a lot of "wonky" guys in politics and their endorsements don't matter either. 

To who?

I'm not pushing that his endorsement will do anything to Trump's campaign.  I'm saying that his endorsement is critical to support MY view of who Trump is.  I'm 5 for 5 at this time.... the 5 people I have to have supporting him:  Gingrich, Ryan, Sessions, Carson, Limbaugh.  I'm not waiting for anybody else anymore.  Which is wild because I never thought this would happen before the convention... or even before October.

Edited June 3, 2016 by anatess2

[Guest MormonGator]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

  I'm saying that his endorsement is critical to support MY view of who Trump is.

I have a hard time seeing you coming on here and saying "Paul Ryan didn't endorse Trump. I'm now questioning my support for Trump. Hmm" 

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

I have a hard time seeing you coming on here and saying "Paul Ryan didn't endorse Trump. I'm now questioning my support for Trump. Hmm" 

No.  I'm Never Hillary.  But, if Ryan didn't endorse him, I will have to adjust my view of what to expect past January.

[Guest MormonGator]

41 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

No.  I'm Never Hillary.  

Than you should understand the Never Trump movement . 

[anatess2]

5 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Than you should understand the Never Trump movement . 

I don't understand a Republican in a Never Trump movement.  It's like shooting your foot to spite your face.

[Guest MormonGator]

20 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

I don't understand a Republican in a Never Trump movement.  It's like shooting your foot to spite your face.

Nope. It's because people think Trump is a plant who doesn't believe a word he says and will therefore be worse than Hillary because he's duped his supporters into thinking he's something he is not. 

 

And that right there is difference between Trumpers and Never Trumpers. 

 

Edited June 3, 2016 by MormonGator