Coming to a school near you - Satan Worship Club

[Sunday21]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

It's tough for a Canadian to understand American free speech laws-just like it's tough for an American to understand Canadian laws period. I say that as someone who truly loves Canada, has been there many times, and has family from Quebec. It's just been my observation, nothing more. The two countries seem to have some things in common-and they do-but in reality a great deal separates us.  

So true! I was just thinking of the astonishing corruption in the Montreal construction industry. I am amazed that anyone in Canada did not know about it. The cost of building anything in Montreal is notoriously 15% higher than surrounding areas and went on for generations. We recently had a series of court cases and situations in which city officials and mayors in nearby cities were jailed but no public outcry. Perfect calm. No one got exciited. Nothing causes people to get excited here but if your team loses at hockey that's another story!

[Guest MormonGator]

4 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:

So true! I was just thinking of the astonishing corruption in the Montreal construction industry. I am amazed that anyone in Canada did not know about it. The cost of building anything in Montreal is notoriously 15% higher than surrounding areas and went on for generations. We recently had a series of court cases and situations in which city officials and mayors in nearby cities were jailed but no public outcry. Perfect calm. No one got exciited. Nothing causes people to get excited here but if your team loses at hockey that's another story!

lol. I shouldn't talk, I'm a very big Habs fan (how dare they trade Subban!), so...

Canada is a wonderful country, one of my favorite places on earth, no question.

[Just_A_Guy]

14 hours ago, Carborendum said:

You do not fight those who wage war by waging a war... Oh, wait.  You do.

I see where you're going; but I have to confess myself deeply uncomfortable with that reasoning.  We can always make a case that our ideological enemies are out to deprive us of our liberties and/or undermine the Constitution or basic human decency; and if we conclude that we are therefore exempt from following the Constitution or observing basic human decency ourselves--that clears the way to doing some pretty awful stuff.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

We can always make a case that our ideological enemies are out to deprive us of our liberties and/or undermine the Constitution or basic human decency; 

No, we can't.  Well, you already idalicized the word.  But I went ahead and bolded it for added emphasis.

Actually, I don't think you're on the right track.  So, just consider the following:

What did Captain Moroni do to the Kingmen?  Why?  Was that justified?  Why?

When Joseph Smith destroyed the printing press of the Nauvoo Expositor, was that justified?  Why? or Why not?  According to Madsen, there were legal precedents for it.  But there was a more important justification for it wasn't there?

We are endowed by our Creator with the right to Life, Liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own and control our property.  But when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends it is our right to alter or abolish it.

Prudence indeed will dictate that men should suffer while ills are sufferable.  But when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to place us under absolute despotism, it is our right, it is our duty to throw off such government and institute new safeguards for our future security.

What is the difference between a form of government becoming destructive of these ends and the private citizen continually misusing the runaway power of government to destroy the rights of others, while we are denied the use of such power?

What is the difference between the despotism of the nobility (who used their governmental power to abuse the commoner who has no such governmental power) and the despotism of the statist who use governmental power to abuse another citizen who is denied the same use/protection of governmental power?

I could easily come up with a list of 27 grievances of today's society that would rival or even exceed the grievances of our founding fathers.  But we're just supposed to suck it up and take it.

No, I'm not all ready to take up arms against a sea of troubles.  But I wouldn't offer any complaints if we had a Samuel Adams today.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Guest

[Blackmarch]

On 8/1/2016 at 11:38 AM, pam said:

 At any elementary school you likely expect to find an art club, a music club, or maybe even a science club – but what about a club to worship Satan?

It’s a real thing, and it may be coming to a Utah Elementary School.

The Satanic Temple, a group that describes itself as “an atheistic religious organization that uses the symbol of Satan to inspire civil justice”, says the decision to spread their message in elementary schools is in direct response to Christian groups who operate after-school clubs in public schools.

http://kutv.com/news/local/after-school-satan-satanic-temple-targets-kids-at-utah-elementary-school

I'd tell them no because american laws do not have to allow for entities, individuals, or beings that are bent on the destruction of the people. any more than freedom of speech means that the school would have to allow a porn group to be present and present because they use porn to "promote social justice"