Trump: Working Day 1 Explained

[Blueskye2]

5 hours ago, yjacket said:

One word: California.

You don't understand how voting is done here.  Each state sets their own rules for what is required for voting and the types of verification needed in order to register to vote.

In California you need (in order to register to vote) a driver's license and last four of your social-that's it.  Well California has recently allowed illegals to obtain a driver's license.

And social security numbers:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/04/13/irs-admits-it-encourages-illegals-to-steal-social-security-numbers-for-taxes/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf

If you are a legal non-citizen you can legally obtain a SSN. In addition, unless California does an active search to match your name with a SSN, then poof. All you really need to register to vote in California is a California Drivers License.  And since California is giving them to illegals-then yes illegals can vote in California in elections.

Couple this with the video of Obama actively encouraging "noncitizens" to vote in our elections. Yes it can happened and I'm positive it did happen.

 

California requires proof of age when getting a drivers license. This means a person is producing their birth certificate or passport at the DMV. 

Your video has been editd to make Obama say something he never said. You can see the edits. The transcript is available here. http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

 

Both of these are examples of the right seeking to suppress the vote of minorities. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[yjacket]

55 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

California requires proof of age when getting a drivers license. This means a person is producing their birth certificate or passport at the DMV. 

Your video has been editd to make Obama say something he never said. You can see the edits. The transcript is available here. http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

 

Both of these are examples of the right seeking to suppress the vote of minorities. 

Wrong on both counts:

#1)

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php

As of January 2015, California residents who cannot establish legal presence in the United States may apply for a driver's license if they can show eligible proof of identification and residency in the state. These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes[i.e INS cannot use this as proof that they are illegal]. By law, no one may discriminate against a holder of an AB-60 license, or use this license to attempt to question the holder's citizenship or immigration status.

So can illegals have a drivers license-YES!!!  And as I quoted earlier, you just need a driver's license to register to vote (and the voter registration does not stipulate that you cannot use a AB-60 Driver's license). With this new law, California just opened Pandora's box on illegals-they basically created a mechanism where there is no difference between illegals immigrants and everyone else-in fact by law you cannot discriminate against illegals in California (i.e. businesses can't say, you're illegal I'm not going to hire you!!-how stupid is that).

So yes illegals can vote in California!!! 

This isn't hard, it is simply a loophole in the current laws that allow illegals who want to take advantage of the law to do so . . .and if you are already illegal why wouldn't you break another law and take advantage of another loophole!

And California politicians are almost all Democratic and this just opens up a yuge avenue for California to become even more Democratic-these politicians are smart they know exactly what they are doing.

#2) From the Transcript:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us [not them but us]?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

Obama is absolutely 100% wrong in his quote- voting does not make you a citizen.  And notice what the interviewer said.  Obama could have easily said, there isn't such a thing as an undocumented citizen; he could say if you are legal US citizen you have the right to vote-he didn't say that. And if you want to say he misspoke, didn't understand the question, etc.  I guess there goes the mantra of "the most articulate, poised, polished, etc" President we've ever had. The question was specifically about "undocumented citizens", i.e. illegals voting.

This is the left showing they are completely ignorant on this issue and that yes, for many, many years there have been forces at work to bring as many illegals into this country. They are drawn here b/c of the social services and end up being primarily democrat so yes there is a high incentive for the left to bring in and have vote as many illegal/legal immigrants as possible.

Thank heavens we finally have someone in office who will enforce one of the very few things the federal government should be doing, ensuring our country remains our country.  If you don't have an enforceable border with enforceable immigration laws, you don't have a country.  I really don't see what is so hard about that.

Edited January 27, 2017 by yjacket

[anatess2]

6 hours ago, Godless said:

"We do it too" is not a justification for ignoring foreign tampering into US elections.

It seems I may have been wrong about the difficulty of non-citizens voting in US elections, and I have no problem admitting that. That's a system-level failure, not an indication of criminal activity by individual voters. Cheating a broken system is not a crime. If Trump wants to fix the system, I fully support that. I don't support criminalizing those who took advantage of the system's shortcomings. 

Of course it's not justification.  Nobody is saying we should ignore Russian interference.  Not even Trump.  What the issue is, is the media narrative that uses this spotlight on Russia to delegitimize Trump's presidency.

Well, that's the thing about coming in legally.  You get to affix your signature to abide by the law.  That signature includes not voting in US elections, the penalty of which is.... tat-tada... deportation.   If legal immigrants get deported for voting in elections and illegal immigrants don't you're gonna have a big mess on your hands.

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2

[Blueskye2]

3 hours ago, yjacket said:

Wrong on both counts:

#1)

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php

As of January 2015, California residents who cannot establish legal presence in the United States may apply for a driver's license if they can show eligible proof of identification and residency in the state. These driver's licenses may not be used for identification purposes[i.e INS cannot use this as proof that they are illegal]. By law, no one may discriminate against a holder of an AB-60 license, or use this license to attempt to question the holder's citizenship or immigration status.

So can illegals have a drivers license-YES!!!  And as I quoted earlier, you just need a driver's license to register to vote (and the voter registration does not stipulate that you cannot use a AB-60 Driver's license). With this new law, California just opened Pandora's box on illegals-they basically created a mechanism where there is no difference between illegals immigrants and everyone else-in fact by law you cannot discriminate against illegals in California (i.e. businesses can't say, you're illegal I'm not going to hire you!!-how stupid is that).

So yes illegals can vote in California!!! 

This isn't hard, it is simply a loophole in the current laws that allow illegals who want to take advantage of the law to do so . . .and if you are already illegal why wouldn't you break another law and take advantage of another loophole!

And California politicians are almost all Democratic and this just opens up a yuge avenue for California to become even more Democratic-these politicians are smart they know exactly what they are doing.

#2) From the Transcript:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us [not them but us]?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

Obama is absolutely 100% wrong in his quote- voting does not make you a citizen.  And notice what the interviewer said.  Obama could have easily said, there isn't such a thing as an undocumented citizen; he could say if you are legal US citizen you have the right to vote-he didn't say that. And if you want to say he misspoke, didn't understand the question, etc.  I guess there goes the mantra of "the most articulate, poised, polished, etc" President we've ever had. The question was specifically about "undocumented citizens", i.e. illegals voting.

This is the left showing they are completely ignorant on this issue and that yes, for many, many years there have been forces at work to bring as many illegals into this country. They are drawn here b/c of the social services and end up being primarily democrat so yes there is a high incentive for the left to bring in and have vote as many illegal/legal immigrants as possible.

Thank heavens we finally have someone in office who will enforce one of the very few things the federal government should be doing, ensuring our country remains our country.  If you don't have an enforceable border with enforceable immigration laws, you don't have a country.  I really don't see what is so hard about that.

Registering to vote requires a birth certificate or passport. If there is documented evidence of illegal migrants voting in California I would be interested in seeing it.

Gina Ridriguez was born in Chicago, her parents are from Puerto Rico.  She is absolutely correct when she alludes to this by saying that living here makes them citizens, as moving to the US makes a Puerto Rican citizen a US citizen.  That is her experience, as a Latina, whose family are from Puerto Rico.  

The right put a fear into US citizens of Hispanic origin that their families would be investigated for voting for the "wrong"person.  All this video is about is putting those fears to rest. 

ETA: to clarify,"The obligations and rights held by Puerto Ricans are not quite the same as other citizens of the United States. Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth and doesn't have voting representation in either house of Congress. Its residents cannot vote in U.S. presidential elections while residing on the island, but if they move to one of the 50 states, they can."

Also Puerto Rican's have Puerto Rico citizenship.  Anyway, Gina Rodriguez was speaking as a Boricua, and she has a view of migrants that aligns to her experience of migrants from Puerto Rico. Migrants are to her, citizens. Not so black and white for her. And she is speaking as a millennial, and by and large, the millennials I know, view this whole issue much differently than people who are older than themselves. They think it is a non issue; a issue for old people.

Obama then addresses her personally, telling her when she votes, she is doing so as a citizen and no one is going to be checking on the immigration status of anyone she may know. 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[Vort]

45 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

Registering to vote requires a birth certificate or passport. If there is documented evidence of illegal migrants voting in California I would be interested in seeing it.

Gina Ridriguez was born in Chicago, her parents are from Puerto Rico.  She is absolutely correct when she alludes to this by saying that living here makes them citizens, as moving to the US makes a Puerto Rican citizen a US citizen.  That is her experience, as a Latina, whose family are from Puerto Rico.  

The right put a fear into US citizens of Hispanic origin that their families would be investigated for voting for the "wrong"person.  All this video is about is putting those fears to rest. 

ETA: to clarify,"The obligations and rights held by Puerto Ricans are not quite the same as other citizens of the United States. Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth and doesn't have voting representation in either house of Congress. Its residents cannot vote in U.S. presidential elections while residing on the island, but if they move to one of the 50 states, they can."

Also Puerto Rican's have Puerto Rico citizenship.  Anyway, Gina Rodriguez was speaking as a Boricua, and that is who the "us" are.

So just to be clear: If you found out that illegal immigrants were indeed voting in California, and that the California law encouraged or at least allowed such a thing to happen, would you then agree that this voter fraud must be stopped?

[Vort]

9 hours ago, Godless said:

Cheating a broken system is not a crime.

You're joking, right?

You don't think it's a crime for non-US citizens to vote in a presidential election, just because they have found a way to get away with it? You don't think it's a crime for people to intentionally abuse lax California laws to knowingly sign up non-citizens to vote? Surely you aren't saying this.

If you are saying this, do you feel the same way about people who find a way to rape their neighbor or steal her TV set? If the system is too broken to prevent them from perpetrating such acts, therefore the acts are not criminal?

I must be misunderstanding your point. Please clarify it for me.

[yjacket]

6 hours ago, Blueskye2 said:

Registering to vote requires a birth certificate or passport.

That's a negative, Ghost Rider.  Registering to vote is not a federal or national item-you don't register to vote with the Federal Government, you register to vote with your State-and as such each State sets their own rules as to what's needed in order to register to vote-provided it's not too stringent b/c the Supreme Court would strike down tough voter registration as "discrimination".

California does not require a birth certificate or passport-I don't know how much more clear it can get.  I copy and pasted directly from California's voter registration page what is needed to register to vote in California.  All that is needed is a) A California Driver's License and b) the last four of your SSN.  In California, you don't need a passport or a birth certificate to register to vote.  You can register online and that is all you need, a California Driver's license (CDL) and the last for of your SSN.

Unless California has an automated check to match a CDL with an SSN or they have an automated check to kick out AB-60 driver's licenses then it is 100% possible for illegals to vote in California.  I'm an illegal, I have a CDL, I go to the website, punch in my CDL and the last 4 of my "SSN" and I'm good (and since I copy and pasted the procedure for legal non-citizens-i.e. visa holders to obtain a SSN it is much easier for legal non-citizens here to vote!).  Now it is possible that California has an automated check-but considering it's California and it's the government-I highly doubt they have a database that validates CDL's against SSNs b/c according to liberals there is probably some "discrimination" that occurs by doing that.

Edited January 27, 2017 by yjacket

[Blueskye2]

2 hours ago, yjacket said:

That's a negative, Ghost Rider.  Registering to vote is not a federal or national item-you don't register to vote with the Federal Government, you register to vote with your State-and as such each State sets their own rules as to what's needed in order to register to vote-provided it's not too stringent b/c the Supreme Court would strike down tough voter registration as "discrimination".

California does not require a birth certificate or passport-I don't know how much more clear it can get.  I copy and pasted directly from California's voter registration page what is needed to register to vote in California.  All that is needed is a) A California Driver's License and b) the last four of your SSN.  In California, you don't need a passport or a birth certificate to register to vote.  You can register online and that is all you need, a California Driver's license (CDL) and the last for of your SSN.

Unless California has an automated check to match a CDL with an SSN or they have an automated check to kick out AB-60 driver's licenses then it is 100% possible for illegals to vote in California.  I'm an illegal, I have a CDL, I go to the website, punch in my CDL and the last 4 of my "SSN" and I'm good (and since I copy and pasted the procedure for legal non-citizens-i.e. visa holders to obtain a SSN it is much easier for legal non-citizens here to vote!).  Now it is possible that California has an automated check-but considering it's California and it's the government-I highly doubt they have a database that validates CDL's against SSNs b/c according to liberals there is probably some "discrimination" that occurs by doing that.

Maybe I should be clearer. To get a license in CA proof of birthdate is required.  

Automated voter registration in CA requires that you first have a driver's license. To obtain a driver's license: "State law requires every applicant for an original California identification (ID) card and driver license to show verification of birth date and proof of legal presence within the United States to help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of departmental documents." https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/dl/dl_info#BDLP  Please note a social security card is not on the list of accepted documents for verification of birthdate and citizenship  

Second, California has more than one type of driver's license. Special licenses are given to non-citizens. 

"Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.

“We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place."" http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-ca-motor-voter-law-20151016-html-htmlstory.html

As you can see the process the state of CA has in place requires that you present proof of birthdate and citizenship to obtain a license and automated voter registration is verified against the DMV records. Those with a special license are not eligible for automated voter registration. 

You're chasing a bogey man. 

[Blueskye2]

7 hours ago, Vort said:

So just to be clear: If you found out that illegal immigrants were indeed voting in California, and that the California law encouraged or at least allowed such a thing to happen, would you then agree that this voter fraud must be stopped?

Ah, start out my day with a cup of coffee and a loaded question. 

[estradling75]

8 hours ago, Vort said:

You're joking, right?

 

Indeed... by that standard Russian tampering with the election is a non-issue as well...  After all for that to happen the system has to be broken enough to allow it.

So if it is not a joke is clear hypocrisy

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by estradling75

[anatess2]

2 hours ago, yjacket said:

That's a negative, Ghost Rider.  Registering to vote is not a federal or national item-you don't register to vote with the Federal Government, you register to vote with your State-and as such each State sets their own rules as to what's needed in order to register to vote-provided it's not too stringent b/c the Supreme Court would strike down tough voter registration as "discrimination".

California does not require a birth certificate or passport-I don't know how much more clear it can get.  I copy and pasted directly from California's voter registration page what is needed to register to vote in California.  All that is needed is a) A California Driver's License and b) the last four of your SSN.  In California, you don't need a passport or a birth certificate to register to vote.  You can register online and that is all you need, a California Driver's license (CDL) and the last for of your SSN.

Unless California has an automated check to match a CDL with an SSN or they have an automated check to kick out AB-60 driver's licenses then it is 100% possible for illegals to vote in California.  I'm an illegal, I have a CDL, I go to the website, punch in my CDL and the last 4 of my "SSN" and I'm good (and since I copy and pasted the procedure for legal non-citizens-i.e. visa holders to obtain a SSN it is much easier for legal non-citizens here to vote!).  Now it is possible that California has an automated check-but considering it's California and it's the government-I highly doubt they have a database that validates CDL's against SSNs b/c according to liberals there is probably some "discrimination" that occurs by doing that.

Well, you don't have to be a US citizen to apply for a CDL and SSN, so... I mean, hello... I have both of those.  And they both match as belonging to me.  And yes, if I vote in elections, the Feds can deport me.  It's in that paper I signed to get my green card approved... and yes, even if my husband and children are US citizens.  They still can deport me.

But see, this is the thing... once you apply for any government something, you cease to be UNDOCUMENTED and become DOCUMENTED.  You're still illegal, but now you're a documented illegal alien.  So, that's the problem with sanctuary cities - by law, once an illegal alien gets documented, they are supposed to submit those documents to the Feds.  Sanctuary cities don't comply with those, so these illegals remain undocumented by the Feds which diminish the ability of the Feds to maintain National Security.

So, an investigation to voter-fraud by the DOJ accomplishes the passing of documents from the States to the Feds especially in these sanctuary cities.

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2

[Blueskye2]

 

15 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Well, you don't have to be a US citizen to apply for a CDL and SSN, so... I mean, hello... I have both of those.  And they both match as belonging to me.  And yes, if I vote in elections, the Feds can deport me.  It's in that paper I signed to get my green card approved... and yes, even if my husband and children are US citizens.  They still can deport me.

In CA a CDL applicant is, among other things, required to:

• Verify your birth date and legal presence (you may use your California driver license).

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/dl/dl_info#CDL

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[anatess2]

16 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

 

In CA a CDL applicant is, among other things, required to:

• Verify your birth date and legal presence (you may use your California driver license). 
• Present your acceptable residency documents if you have never had a California driver license or California identification card.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/dl/dl_info#CDL

Actually, you don't need a document to establish birth date to apply for a CDL.  If you can't produce a document, you can ask for a DMV interview to verify your age.  Yes, an interview can be just you sitting infront of the DMV clerk looking at your wrinkles, not asking any questions.  Yes, a DMV interview can also suffice to establish proof of identity.  And a utility bill or a library card can suffice as legal presence... because yeah, you're applying for a CDL, so of course, you can't use your California driver's license to establish legal presence because you're still applying for one. 

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2

[Blueskye2]

6 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Actually, you don't need a document to establish birth date to apply for a CDL.  If you can't produce a document, you can ask for a DMV interview to verify your age.  Yes, an interview can be just you sitting infront of the DMV clerk looking at your wrinkles, not asking any questions.

In CA, documentation is required to verify legal presence. A utility bill or library card verifies residency.

If you already have a CA driver's license, it means you already have provided proof of legal presence and residency. If it is a new applicant, then the documentation is required. 

It's all there in the links.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[zil]

Could it be that @anatess2 is using "CDL" for "California Driver's License" and @Blueskye2 is using "CDL" for "Commercial Driver's License"?

[Blueskye2]

3 minutes ago, zil said:

Could it be that @anatess2 is using "CDL" for "California Driver's License" and @Blueskye2 is using "CDL" for "Commercial Driver's License"?

Commercial driver's license is what I see us both discussing.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[anatess2]

17 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

In CA, documentation is required to verify legal presence. A utility bill or library card verifies residency.

If you already have a CA driver's license, it means you have provided the above documentation. If it is a new applicant, then the documentation is required. 

It's all there in the links.

Okay, we're talking past each other because I did not specify CDL versus CDL-AB60.  You don't need any of those for CDL-AB60.

Now, a CDL-AB60 looks exactly like a CDL except it has a special mark.  So, an employer, for example, can look for the AB60 mark on that CDL to see if you should hire the guy.  Or the voter registration person can do the same.

Now, the CDL number doesn't have an identifying sequence to tell you if it is CDL or CDL-AB60.  So, this girl in Van Nuys who makes SSN cards and CDLs can take your existing CDL-AB60 and SSN (these SSNs also has the identifying mark as not valid for work) and make you SSNs and CDLs without the mark.  Yes, there are several of these "businesses" all over California.  It's like the mafia - people know who they are but nobody can find them.  You might think.. surely, the feds have these people documented.  Yes, they can if they file W-2's for Fed Income Tax.  Otherwise, all their records remain state documents... which is not shared with the Feds in sanctuary cities.

Now, a LEGAL alien have all these things all above board.  They go to the voting booth with their regualr CDLs and SSNs and nobody is none the wiser because... sanctuary cities...

In any case, Greg Phillips claimed that he can produce a list of the names of all these people who engaged in voter fraud.  So, to find these people (or know for a fact they exist) you... tat-tada... start an investigation.

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, Blueskye2 said:

Commercial driver's license is what I see us both discussing.

Uhm no.  CDL = California Driver's License.  That ID you can use to vote in California.  They don't care if its commercial or not.

[Blueskye2]

4 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Okay, we're talking past each other because I did not specify CDL versus CDL-AB60.  You don't need any of those for CDL-AB60.

Now, a CDL-AB60 looks exactly like a CDL except it has a special mark.  So, an employer, for example, can look for the AB60 mark on that CDL to see if you should hire the guy.

Now, the CDL number doesn't have an identifying sequence to tell you if it is CDL or CDL-AB60.  So, this girl in Van Nuys who makes SSN cards and CDLs can take your existing CDL-AB60 and SSN (these SSNs also has the identifying mark as not valid for work) and make you SSNs and CDLs without the mark.  Yes, there are several of these "businesses" all over California.  It's like the mafia.  You might think.. surely, the feds have these people documented.  Yes, they can if they file W-2's for Fed Income Tax.  Otherwise, all their records remain state documents... which is not shared with the Feds in sanctuary cities.

Now, a LEGAL alien have all these things all above board.  They go to the voting booth with their regualr CDLs and SSNs and nobody is none the wiser because... sanctuary cities...

You've switched, from talking about the legal process in California to talking about what criminals can do. Criminal can forge any document, and by your logic, that makes EVERY voter registration suspect. Not just in CA and not just for states with automatic voting.

Beyond that, CA gives licenses to everyone who meets other requirements not related to legal status, but not all CA driver's licenses are eligible for automated voter registration. If the particular driver's license does not require proof of legal presence then the automated voter registration doesn't occur. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Blueskye2

[zil]

2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

CDL = California Driver's License.

To most / all of the Americans I know, the default is to assume the C stands for Commercial, just so you know what most of us think when we see "CDL".

[anatess2]

4 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

You've switched, from talking about the legal process in California to talking about what criminals can do. Criminal can forge any document, and by your logic, that makes EVERY voter registration suspect. Not just in CA and not just for states with automatic voting.

Beyond that, CA gives licenses to everyone who meets other requirements not related to legal status, but not all CA driver's licenses are eligible for automated voter registration. If the particular driver's license does not require proof of legal presence then the automated voter registration doesn't occur. 

@yjackettalked about the legal process in California.  That's why I told him that you can be legal and still commit voter fraud.

My response to you was about CDLs (California, not Commercial ).  And how they are used for voter registration with matching names on both CDL and SSN.

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2

[anatess2]

5 minutes ago, zil said:

To most / all of the Americans I know, the default is to assume the C stands for Commercial, just so you know what most of us think when we see "CDL".

I apologize... I was simply using yjacket's short-hand.  And I'm positive he meant California and not Commercial because it doesn't make sense to require commercial DL's for voter registrations.

[Blueskye2]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

@yjackettalked about the legal process in California.  That's why I told him that you can be legal and still commit voter fraud.

My response to you was about CDLs (California, not Commercial ).  And how they are used for voter registration with matching names on both CDL and SSN.

 

It's ok, regarding CDL, my responses still apply as someone applying for a driver's license that triggers automated registration, requires those documents. As I said, California licenses everyone, the concept being, that requiring a driver's license for ALL California residences (independent of their legal status) is good for public safety. In CA, having a driver's license doesn't mean you are legally in the US, as you pointed out, there are different types of driver's licenses.

[zil]

11 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

I apologize... I was simply using yjacket's short-hand.  And I'm positive he meant California and not Commercial because it doesn't make sense to require commercial DL's for voter registrations.

Yeah, and I was sure you meant California, but when Blueskye started talking about Commercial, I thought it might be good to double check who meant what.

[anatess2]

19 minutes ago, Blueskye2 said:

It's ok, regarding CDL, my responses still apply as someone applying for a driver's license that triggers automated registration, requires those documents. As I said, California licenses everyone, the concept being, that requiring a driver's license for ALL California residences (independent of their legal status) is good for public safety. In CA, having a driver's license doesn't mean you are legally in the US, as you pointed out, there are different types of driver's licenses.

I always posit - documentation is good.  Registration is good.  That's why I supported the McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform bill that would have legalized illegal aliens by having them apply for documentation and pay a fine.  It's the undocumented ones that pose difficulty to society.  Sanctuary cities that prevent documentation sharing between city/state/Feds is bad for society.

Voter's registrations are easy to investigate.  There's a paper trail.  Of course, if you don't want to be found, then it's bad for you.

Edited January 27, 2017 by anatess2