Resistance Is Futile

[Guest]

Sorry, couldn't resist.  OH!!! See what I did?

[Guest]

For those who don't recognize this yet... http://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/protesters-hang-resist-banner-crane-near-white-house-n712056

[anatess2]

That's great.  They need to keep it up.  The more they do it, the more the Democrats get lower and lower in popularity.

[Blackmarch]

I feel like chanting "ohm"

[Rob Osborn]

What a waste.

[Guest Godless]

I think (and by that I mean hope) that most people realize that Greenpeace is a fringe radical group with about the same political pull and credibility of PETA. The Democratic Party distanced themselves from GP years ago.

That being said, 19 year-old anarchist me loved the shot of the White House with the banner in the background. I hate Greenpeace and organizations like it, but that was a really cool shot.

[zil]

12 minutes ago, Godless said:

I think (and by that I mean hope) that most people realize that Greenpeace is a fringe radical group...

Huh.  I thought green piece was the one that's been missing from the Clue game ever since the last Ward Game Night activity.

[NeuroTypical]

52 minutes ago, Godless said:

I think (and by that I mean hope) that most people realize that Greenpeace is a fringe radical group with about the same political pull and credibility of PETA.

I wish more people knew that.  They've been a powerful enough lobby to get nations to dump a new kind of rice rich in Beta Carotene that would reduce rates of blindness in their countries.  It's anti-science, anti-GMO nonsense. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2016/07/04/nobelists-to-greenpeace-drop-your-anti-science-anti-gmo-campaign/#479699a33ad7

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Vitamin A deficiency is the leading cause of childhood blindness globally affecting 250,000–500,000 children each year. Half die within 12 months of losing their eyesight.

Thanks, Greenpeace.  Really moral of you to stand in the way of reducing this statistic. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Godless said:

The Democratic Party distanced themselves from GP years ago.

Could you cite something to that effect?  All I've seen is Democrats in Congress bending over backwards to pass legislation that GP wants.  I've seen the EPA put people out of business and bankrupt families because one flood created enough mud to call a landowner's previously buildable land a "wetlands".

[anatess2]

12 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Could you cite something to that effect?  All I've seen is Democrats in Congress bending over backwards to pass legislation that GP wants.  I've seen the EPA put people out of business and bankrupt families because one flood created enough mud to call a landowner's previously buildable land a "wetlands".

The last election showed a fracture in the Democrat Party (similar to the fracture in the Republican side).  The Greenpeace expose on T-TIP made them an enemy of the establishment Dems (i.e. Clinton/Obama) but deeply imbedded in the Sanders camp.  Greenpeace tried to help Sanders defeat Clinton and when that didn't happen, the animosity between them and establishment Dems that are currently running the show deepened.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

The last election showed a fracture in the Democrat Party (similar to the fracture in the Republican side).  The Greenpeace expose on T-TIP made them an enemy of the establishment Dems (i.e. Clinton/Obama) but deeply imbedded in the Sanders camp.  Greenpeace tried to help Sanders defeat Clinton and when that didn't happen, the animosity between them and establishment Dems that are currently running the show deepened.

@Godless said "years ago", not this last election cycle.  And I'd hardly call that "distancing themselves".

Edited January 31, 2017 by Guest

[anatess2]

4 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

@Godless said "years ago", not this last election cycle.  And I'd hardly call that "distancing themselves".

T-Tip was years ago.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, anatess2 said:

T-Tip was years ago.

You said "the last election".  You pointed to Sanders over Clinton/Obama.  What the???

[anatess2]

Just now, Carborendum said:

You said "the last election".  You pointed to Sanders over Clinton/Obama.  What the???

Okay, explanation sentence by sentence:

" The last election showed a fracture in the Democrat Party (similar to the fracture in the Republican side)."

Is a statement to preface that there is not just one "Democrat" anymore.  So when somebody says Democrats distance themselves from GP, it bears to note which Democrats.  This splinter, of course, didn't start in the last election cycle.  The last election cycle simply exposed it. 

 

" The Greenpeace expose on T-TIP made them an enemy of the establishment Dems (i.e. Clinton/Obama) but deeply imbedded in the Sanders camp."

Greenpeace exposed the crony captilistic secrets of the T-Tip way back in 2013/2014 - can't remember exactly.  This made them an enemy of the Obama/Clinton establishment Democrats.  Greenpeace (and their anti-capitalist friends) formed into a coalition behind Bernie Sanders.

 

" Greenpeace tried to help Sanders defeat Clinton and when that didn't happen, the animosity between them and establishment Dems that are currently running the show deepened."

This tells you the status of the Greenpeace relationship with the Schumer Democrats.  The Sanders Democrats are nowhere to be found right now.

[Guest Godless]

I was referring to incidents such as this and this, among others. Greenpeace has demonstrated in the past that they aren't above using criminal activity and eco-terrorism to spread their message. While it's true that some Democrats will continue to stand with them when it's politically convenient to do so (particularly on energy issues), anyone with any political sense will know better than to associate too closely with what some might call a group of environmental extremists. The crane stunt, while kinda cool I'll admit, won't do much to gain back any serious support on Capital Hill. 

And yes, there have been more recent incidents that have hurt the credibility of GP. Their interference in the T-Tip negotiations occurred just last year, as did the Nobel Laureates' public rebuke over GMO issues that @NeuroTypical mentioned. I'll admit that I may have underestimated their political credibility, but I'm still convinced that their continued use of publicity stunts and political bullying will only get them so far in Washington.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Godless said:

I was referring to incidents such as this and this, among others.

I was specifically asking for references to prominent Democrats or "official actions" taken by the party to distance themselves from Greenpeace.  That was how I interpret

• "The Democratic Party distanced themselves from GP years ago. "

The links were nice examples of GP stupidity.  But nowhere did I see "Democrats distancing themselves from GP".

[Guest Godless]

17 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I was specifically asking for references to prominent Democrats or "official actions" taken by the party to distance themselves from Greenpeace.  That was how I interpret

• "The Democratic Party distanced themselves from GP years ago. "

The links were nice examples of GP stupidity.  But nowhere did I see "Democrats distancing themselves from GP".

I apologize, it seems that I got my environmentalist groups mixed up. Turns out it's the Sierra Club, not Greenpeace, that has found themselves at odds with prominent Democrats. This is the story I was thinking of, though it's a bit more recent (2013) than I remember.

Regarding Greenpeace, it'll be interesting to see what comes of their recent spat with Hillary and their attacks on GMO. But yes, it appears that I was mistaken regarding their lack of support from Democrats. Their efforts to abandon fossil fuels and tackle climate change have plenty of support in DC, even if some of their tactics may be a bit off-putting.