Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, goor_de said: who guarantees that we will not relapse in the sky Who guarantees that a baked cake will not suddenly revert back into a sodden mass of batter? No one guarantees it. But it won’t happen, because the cake’s very nature has changed. Batter just isn’t what the cake is anymore, just as selfishness/greed/lust/cruelty aren’t what an exalted being would be anymore. Edited September 23, 2018 by Just_A_Guy zil and SilentOne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: Who guarantees that a baked cake will not suddenly revert back into a sodden mass of batter? No one guarantees it. But it won’t happen, because the cake’s very nature has changed. Batter just isn’t what the cake is anymore, just as selfishness/greed/lust/cruelty aren’t what an exalted being would be anymore. People are not a cake. they are already changing or the free will in the sky is turned off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, goor_de said: People are not a cake. they are already changing or the free will in the sky is turned off God isn’t a cake either. Could *He* sin? Doesn’t *He* have free will? Are people unmoved movers? Will they ever be so? Edited September 23, 2018 by Just_A_Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: Are people unmoved movers? Will they ever be so? if they can not sin anymore then they have no free will anymore ,or they can sin in heaven Edited September 23, 2018 by goor_de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 minute ago, goor_de said: if they can not sin anymore then they have no free will anymore or they can sin in heaven What if they *chose* to put themselves into a state where sin is no longer possible? And, I’m still interested in hearing whether you think God Himself has free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: What if they *chose* to put themselves into a state where sin is no longer possible? And, I’m still interested in hearing whether you think God Himself has free will. if that's so easy. why not already in the pre-existence. God had a free will. he is different for example, AT and NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, goor_de said: [1]. if that's so easy. why not already in the pre-existence. [2] God had a free will. he is different for example, AT and NT 1. Why, indeed? 2. Not that different, in LDS theology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: 1. Why, indeed? 2. Not that different, in LDS theology. because man has a free will, he can always decide otherwise so no guarantee for nobody and for all eternity How do you imagine that? Edited September 23, 2018 by goor_de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, goor_de said: because man has a free will, he can always decide otherwise so no guarantee for nobody and for all eternity How do you imagine that? You’re (presumably) already a Mormon, which means you’ve talked to God and gotten a testimony. And the religion to which you subscribe holds that mankind and God are not nearly as distinct from each other as you seem to insist on supposing that they are. Maybe you should ask God about it and actually ponder things for a couple of hours, instead of demanding spoon-fed answers and immediately and snottily dismissing anyone else’s good-faith take on the matter. Edited September 23, 2018 by Just_A_Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: You’re (presumably) already a Mormon, which means you’ve talked to God and gotten a testimony. Maybe you should ask Him about it and actually ponder things for a while, instead of immediately and snottily dismissing anyone else’s good-faith take on the matter. no no, it's not that easy I only describe the consequences of the free will. Can man fall in the sky? man can still fall in the sky ? Edited September 23, 2018 by goor_de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 hours ago, goor_de said: who guarantees that we will not relapse in the sky I'm not interested in answering questions on which we can only speculate. I trust God''s word though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: I'm not interested in answering questions on which we can only speculate. I trust God''s word though ---------------Sprache erkennenAfrikaansAlbanischAmharischArabischArmenischAserbaidschanischBaskischBengalischBirmanischBosnischBulgarischCebuanoChinesisch (traditionell)Chinesisch (vereinfacht)DänischDeutschEnglischEsperantoEstnischFilipinoFinnischFranzösischGalicischGeorgischGriechischGujaratiHaiti-KreolischHaussaHawaiischHebräischHindiHmongIgboIndonesischIrischIsländischItalienischJapanischJavanischJiddischKannadaKasachischKatalanischKhmerKirgisischKoreanischKorsischKroatischKurdischLaotischLateinLettischLitauischLuxemburgischMadagassischMalaiischMalayalamMaltesischMaoriMarathiMazedonischMongolischNepalesischNiederländischNorwegischNyanjaPaschtuPersischPolnischPortugiesischPunjabiRumänischRussischSamoanischSchottisches GälischSchwedischSerbischShonaSindhiSinghalesischSlowakischSlowenischSomaliSpanischSuaheliSüd-SothoSundanesischTadschikischTamilTeluguThailändischTschechischTürkischUkrainischUngarischUrduUsbekischVietnamesischWalisischWeißrussischWestfriesischXhosaYorubaZuluDeutsch It is very important for eternity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, goor_de said: ---------------Sprache erkennenAfrikaansAlbanischAmharischArabischArmenischAserbaidschanischBaskischBengalischBirmanischBosnischBulgarischCebuanoChinesisch (traditionell)Chinesisch (vereinfacht)DänischDeutschEnglischEsperantoEstnischFilipinoFinnischFranzösischGalicischGeorgischGriechischGujaratiHaiti-KreolischHaussaHawaiischHebräischHindiHmongIgboIndonesischIrischIsländischItalienischJapanischJavanischJiddischKannadaKasachischKatalanischKhmerKirgisischKoreanischKorsischKroatischKurdischLaotischLateinLettischLitauischLuxemburgischMadagassischMalaiischMalayalamMaltesischMaoriMarathiMazedonischMongolischNepalesischNiederländischNorwegischNyanjaPaschtuPersischPolnischPortugiesischPunjabiRumänischRussischSamoanischSchottisches GälischSchwedischSerbischShonaSindhiSinghalesischSlowakischSlowenischSomaliSpanischSuaheliSüd-SothoSundanesischTadschikischTamilTeluguThailändischTschechischTürkischUkrainischUngarischUrduUsbekischVietnamesischWalisischWeißrussischWestfriesischXhosaYorubaZuluDeutsch It is very important for eternity Trusting in God? Why yes. Yes it is. Just_A_Guy and goor_de 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 hours ago, goor_de said: no no, it's not that easy I only describe the consequences of the free will. Can man fall in the sky? Q.E.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: Q.E.D. For anyone else who needed the same (as I did): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: Q.E.D. the human being can change his opinion at any time this is a recognized fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, goor_de said: the human being can change his opinion at any time this is a recognized fact As God is, man may become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: As God is, man may become. What do you think about technology in the celestial world. how different from the terrestial and telestial worlds Edited September 23, 2018 by goor_de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, goor_de said: What do you think about technology in the celestial world. how different from the terrestial and telestial worlds 42. zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: 42. There is technical progress, as on the earth These are all important questions for my progress where I want to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, goor_de said: There is technical progress, as on the earth These are all important questions for my progress where I want to go A partridge. And a pear tree. Or is it “in” a pear tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goor_de Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: A partridge. And a pear tree. Or is it “in” a pear tree? do I write Chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: A partridge. And a pear tree. Or is it “in” a pear tree? I think it's a "Cartridge in an M3". SilentOne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I like Ike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, goor_de said: do I write Chinese? No, but frankly some of your posts come off as though you think we’ve been. And it’s frankly it’s becoming a little irritating. When people feel their sincere attempts to help are being treated flippantly, they are wont to respond in kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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