Future Preparations of the Church Against Pornography?

[zil]

15 minutes ago, Grunt said:

46 minutes ago, person0 said:

we are very in favor of sex in the Church

Wait, what?

We in the Church are very in favor of sex between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded (to each other).  (Is what @person0 meant.)

(We're not so much in favor of anyone having sex inside the church building... )

[Grunt]

2 minutes ago, zil said:

We in the Church are very in favor of sex between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded (to each other).  (Is what @person0 meant.)

(We're not so much in favor of anyone having sex inside the church building... )

I was starting to get a little nervous.......

[zil]

6 minutes ago, Grunt said:

I was starting to get a little nervous.......

Steak Houses, sex in church, baptizing dead people, yeah, them Mormons are weirdos!   (Has anyone informed you yet that we have horns?  Converts don't get them, but children born in the covenant do...  )

[Grunt]

5 minutes ago, zil said:

Steak Houses, sex in church, baptizing dead people, yeah, them Mormons are weirdos!   (Has anyone informed you yet that we have horns?  Converts don't get them, but children born in the covenant do...  )

No, but I could have sworn I saw a tail during principles class today.

[Sunday21]

13 minutes ago, zil said:

Steak Houses, sex in church, baptizing dead people, yeah, them Mormons are weirdos!   (Has anyone informed you yet that we have horns?  Converts don't get them, but children born in the covenant do...  )

Explains those bouffant hairdos!

[clbent04]

5 hours ago, Grunt said:

with rare exceptions, people choose to be obese.

Agreed. I think we will be judged how we have treated our bodies on many levels. Why obesity isn't specifically addressed in the temple recommend interview is a good question.

Why is coffee and tea specifically addressed but not energy drinks? Energy drinks are horrible for you. You can't logically make sense of which questions are and are not specifically addressed in the temple recommend interview related to the Word of Wisdom.  You just have to except that certain substances are on the Lord's blacklist for some reason.

As for obesity, it's a less severe sin than other items addressed in the interview which would prevent you from going to the temple

Edited August 21, 2017 by clbent04

[Guest MormonGator]

12 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

As for obesity, it's a less severe sin 

It's not sinful at all actually, unless you are in the 1% of people who sit on the sofa all day eating cheetos and drinking coke. Other than that, in 99% of cases, it's not sinful at all. 

[Grunt]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

It's not sinful at all actually, unless you are in the 1% of people who sit on the sofa all day eating cheetos and drinking coke. Other than that, in 99% of cases, it's not sinful at all. 

You've confused me with the cheetos and coke, but ignoring that what you've stated is why I get confused.  I tried to stop looking at the "why" and instead focused on the "what", but people keep tossing "why" out there as though it were important.  If it IS important than obesity SHOULD be a sin.  

[clbent04]

4 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It's not sinful at all actually, unless you are in the 1% of people who sit on the sofa all day eating cheetos and drinking coke. Other than that, in 99% of cases, it's not sinful at all. 

You and me interpret the Word of Wisdom differently 

[Grunt]

1 minute ago, clbent04 said:

You and me interpret the Word of Wisdom differently 

Assuming a belief in modern revelation, are we supposed to interpret anything?

[Guest MormonGator]

2 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

You and me interpret the Word of Wisdom differently 

That makes me feel better about myself. 

Being obese is no more sinful than a battle with high blood pressure is. It's a a medical condition. The LAST thing LDS people need is another reason to feel guilty about something. LDS are already much too hard on themselves and don't need people lecturing them on what else is sinful. 

Edited August 20, 2017 by MormonGator

[Grunt]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

That makes me feel better about myself. 

Being obese is no more sinful than a battle with high blood pressure is. It's a a medical condition. The LAST thing LDS people need is another reason to feel guilty about something. LDS are already much too hard on themselves and don't need people lecturing them on what else is sinful. 

Well, that's not exactly true.  If that's the case, you could apply it to addiction as well.  Obesity, with the very rare exception, is a choice 

[clbent04]

1 hour ago, Grunt said:

Assuming a belief in modern revelation, are we supposed to interpret anything?

Since obesity is not specifically addressed, we have to lean on the general guidance we are given. We are told our bodies are temples and we are charged with treating them as such. I think obesity is a sin for the majority of people who willingly choose to be obese based on them not maintaining their "temples" properly

Edited August 20, 2017 by clbent04

[clbent04]

4 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Being obese is no more sinful than a battle with high blood pressure is. It's a a medical condition. 

No and usually no

Edited August 20, 2017 by clbent04

[Grunt]

Just now, clbent04 said:

Since obesity is not specifically addressed, we have to lean on the general guidance we are given. We are told our bodies our temples and we are charged with treating them as such. I think obesity is a sin for the majority of people who willingly choose to be obese based on them not maintaining their "temples" properly

Got it.  That was my point.  It's not "interpretation", it was laid out on LDS.  I believe @zil was the one who linked to it in my question about masturbation.

[Grunt]

I'm going to attempt to remove myself from this portion of the discussion because I've stated my opinion and I'm not qualified to speak on this as it relates to LDS.

[clbent04]

17 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

It's not sinful at all actually

@MormonGator You're getting rather defensive on obesity not being a sin. Is this a personal struggle of yours?

[Grunt]

Just now, clbent04 said:

@MormonGator You're getting rather defensive on obesity not being a sin. Is this a personal struggle of yours?

Why on earth would you call someone out?  If someone wants to share their struggles that's their business.

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

@MormonGator You're getting rather defensive on obesity not being a sin. Is this a personal struggle of yours?

1) Saying "it's not sinful at all" is not a sign of being defensive 

2) No. I only weigh about 160 and I'm 5'08. My BMI is 24.3. I walk about 5 miles a day and am in great health actually. 

I just have this amazing ability to understand that not everything I personally don't approve is sinful.I stand by everything I said 100%. Like i've said before, active LDS are among the sweetest people in the world, they feel guilty enough about things and do not need someone to tell them that something else is sinful. 

Edited August 20, 2017 by MormonGator

[clbent04]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

I just have this amazing ability to understand that not everything I personally don't approve is sinful.I stand by everything I said 100%. 

How do you not relate these two together?

1. Treat your body as a temple

2. Don't willingly let yourself go

 

[person0]

 

1 minute ago, clbent04 said:

@MormonGator You're getting rather defensive on obesity not being a sin. Is this a personal struggle of yours?

Being obese would not be the sin.  Gluttony would be the sin.  A very obese person could repent of their gluttony and live a more healthy lifestyle and yet not be able to lose the weight even though they are now appropriately maintaining their body.  I don't think it would be correct to say they must lose the weight in order to be 'compliant'.

As a side note, I would say there is a difference between imperfection and sin.  Obesity is imperfection, the overeating leading to it is imperfection, however, depending on the circumstance, it might or might not be sinful.  This is where personal judgement is applicable, and this is why this will never be a qualifier for living the Word of Wisdom.

A person who accidentally overeats and gains weight at a rate of 1 lb/month will gain 36 lbs in 3 years and almost 100 lbs in 8 years.  It is entirely possible that person is not aware of how much they are eating or what they should or shouldn't be eating.  Once again, imperfection, lack of knowledge, not necessarily a sin.

[Grunt]

For the record, I don't see how obesity is sinful either, from "Grunt's Point of View".  I'm just trying to connect the dots of LDS scripture.  If X is sinful because of Y, and Z is also Y, the Z must also be sinful.

Only that obviously doesn't work.

[Grunt]

2 minutes ago, Armin said:

Like a "coming out" and always finding excuses and apologies for their failures before God? Emphasiing "it's normal", not able to see and with a lack of sensibility and empathy in order of their own body, which is the temple of God.

Coming out isn't the same as calling out.

[Guest MormonGator]

Just now, Grunt said:

For the record, I don't see how obesity is sinful either, from "Grunt's Point of View".  I'm just trying to connect the dots of LDS scripture.  If X is sinful because of Y, and Z is also Y, the Z must also be sinful.

Only that obviously doesn't work.

It's good to remember that like a prosecutor indicting a ham sandwich, someone with enough time on their hands can make anything sound sinful. 

[Grunt]

Just now, MormonGator said:

It's good to remember that like a prosecutor indicting a ham sandwich, someone with enough time on their hands can make anything sound sinful. 

It's also not my place to decide someone else's sin.  I bring it up here as an example because I don't understand WoW and other covenants and I try to work through it.