Salt Lake Tribune: “LDS Policy Maybe Didn’t Cause More Youth LGBTQ Suicides (DANGIT!!!)”

[Just_A_Guy]

Ok, I’ve interpolated a bit.

Story at https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/09/02/commentary-did-same-sex/.

Edited September 3, 2018 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest]

Interesting about the author:

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Justin Dyer received his Ph.D. in human and community development from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and is currently an associate professor of religion and family at Brigham Young University.

 

[pwrfrk]

On 9/2/2018 at 10:14 PM, Carborendum said:

Interesting about the author:

 

I am not sure his stay at BYU will be for much longer.  But I could be wrong.

[Traveler]

On 9/2/2018 at 9:00 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

Ok, I’ve interpolated a bit.

Story at https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/09/02/commentary-did-same-sex/.

One conclusion I do not often see is that becoming LBGTQ makes a person more pron to suicide.   It is not that I want this post to seem harsh but there is something that I have observed (not necessarily scientific) - please allow me to explain.  When someone declares themselves one or many of the categories in LBGTQ - it does not of necessity separate them from friends and family but it does for sure set them apart as different within the friends and family culture.  They and everybody else realizes that the individual is different and not like most others.   This difference will immediately dictate what friendships can or cannot blossom into intimate relationships.  In short the pool of others that they are attracted to does not so much diminish as does the pool of others that will be attracted to them.  I would think as a matter of reason that failed intimate relationships are discouraging and an agent of suicide - all by it's self.  I say this because I have known a few to commit suicide and in all cases there was either an inability to establish a intimate relationship or that an intimate relationship that was blossoming - ended in failure.  It seems logical to me that the more difficult (smaller pool) of available relationship - the more discouraging it would be when intimate relationships fail and establishing a new intimate relationship is  more limited and difficult than it is for most others.

But there is possibly another problem.  One claim I hear being suggested, both in general and within the LGBTQ demographic; is that suicide is the lack of friends and family support or the alienation of the individual.  I can accept that as a possibility.  That is that the idea that a "mean" responses is not good for anybody.  But has anyone observed what happens within the LGBTQ community when one of their own begins to question their LGBTQ'ness and has any desire to try being straight.  What will happen is that friends and family that made the adjustment to the individual being LGBTQ will tend to still view and treat them as being different and now perhaps even more so.  But what happens to the collective support for this changing LGBTQ individual within the LGBTQ community?  I have seen it and it is not pretty - in fact it is very ugly.  If lack of support is an engine of suicide - this LGBTQ reaction to a fellow member trying to become straight, definitely is such an engine.

 

The Traveler

[Just_A_Guy]

A local GOP muckeymuck recently suggested that maybe LGBTQ suicides are higher because LGBTQ folks tend to be more sexually promiscuous; and all Hades is breaking loose.

I have no idea whether it’s ststistically accurate that LGBTQ folks are more promiscuous (I would venture to say that that *is* correct, at least regarding gay men); but the idea that the transactionalization of sex generally can lead to loneliness, despair and suicide does make a certain amount of sense.

[zil]

20 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

but the idea that the transactionalization of sex generally can lead to loneliness, despair and suicide does make a certain amount of sense. 

Science has supporting evidence, I thought - namely that intercourse creates a stronger bond than people realize (you get no choice in the matter, hormones take care of it behind the scenes) and so casual sex is the emotional equivalent of constantly breaking up.

[Traveler]

29 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

A local GOP muckeymuck recently suggested that maybe LGBTQ suicides are higher because LGBTQ folks tend to be more sexually promiscuous; and all Hades is breaking loose.

I have no idea whether it’s ststistically accurate that LGBTQ folks are more promiscuous (I would venture to say that that *is* correct, at least regarding gay men); but the idea that the transactionalization of sex generally can lead to loneliness, despair and suicide does make a certain amount of sense.

One thing we know absolutely for sure - that is that AIDS (as is any STD) is only perpetrated through any culture or demographic when that culture and demographic is promiscuous or allows promiscuity - regardless of reason.  

 

The Traveler