Mosiah 18:17

[Just_A_Guy]

Apropos of nothing . . . Or something . . . Biblical scholars believe that the institution of the Jewish synagogue and regimented theological instruction (from which Christian communal worship practices evolved) arose during the Babylonian captivity, and not before.

If this is correct, then it is somewhat remarkable that Nephi and Jacob implemented a system of synagogues amongst their people (as mentioned in 2 Ne 26); because Nephi would have had no precedent for this sort of thing—and yet half a world away, at around the same time, his fellow Jewish exiles were developing something very similar.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Just_A_Guy

[Colirio]

7 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Biblical scholars believe that the institution of the Jewish synagogue and regimented theological instruction (from which Christian communal worship practices evolved) arose during the Babylonian captivity, and not before.

 

 

1 Nephi 4:26 And he, supposing that I spake of the brethren of the church, and that I was truly that Laban whom I had slain, wherefore he did follow me.

 

Those scholars are wrong. 

[Traveler]

20 hours ago, theplains said:

Maybe the simple answer is that seeking something outside the will of God is sinful.  Unless one believes that God really wanted
Adam and Eve to disobey Him.

Another term for original sin is 'first sin'.   What is the first sin you believe Adam and Eve committed?

Thanks,
Jim

As an engineer and scientist it is answers like this that so annoy thinking people as to convince some that claim believe in a G-d; that such a silly G-d could not possibly exist and be able to deal with the complexity and incredible order of the our little planet and solar system - let alone the vast universe.  Do you really believe that G-d is such a narcissist and egotist that he wants blind followers of obviously flawed notions rather than honest lovers of truth committed to good and rejection of evil? 

I see the whole epoch of Eden much different than you see to want to realize - I believe that G-d deliberately provided the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil knowing that man (Adam) would have to become unaligned from some eternal principles of G-d and the order of heaven in order to be able to experience death - which is necessary to have knowledge of evil.  But then to also gain knowledge of good through the experience of G-d's grace, mercy and love through the redemptive Atonement of Christ and the resurrection to immortality. 

The term used in scripture is Transgression of the Law.  A transgression that was necessary to have knowledge of evil as well as good.  A knowledge that once obtained and used to choose good over evil allowed man to become "one" with G-d.  I really do not understand why so many Traditional Christians denigrate becoming g-d like to be one with G-d (his attributes, works and glory) as something Satanic and evil????  My impression is that they are not thinking this through very well.  And so I see the fall of Adam and Eve as a necessary step in the plan of G-d to bring salvation unto his children.  I do not see the fall as a failure of G-d to realize the treachery and cunningness of Satan or the gullibility knowingly and deliberately given by G-d to Adam and Eve - rather I see the fall of Adam and Eve as a failure of Satan (the serpent) as well as many mortal men to comprehend the forward thinking of G-d to being about his eternal purposes for his creation. 

 

The Traveler

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Apropos of nothing . . . Or something . . . Biblical scholars believe that the institution of the Jewish synagogue and regimented theological instruction (from which Christian communal worship practices evolved) arose during the Babylonian captivity, and not before.

If this is correct, then it is somewhat remarkable that Nephi and Jacob implemented a system of synagogues amongst their people (as mentioned in 2 Ne 26); because Nephi would have had no precedent for this sort of thing—and yet half a world away, at around the same time, his fellow Jewish exiles were developing something very similar.

2 hours ago, Colirio said:

1 Nephi 4:26 And he, supposing that I spake of the brethren of the church, and that I was truly that Laban whom I had slain, wherefore he did follow me.

Those scholars are wrong. 

I'm trying to remember the scriptures in the OT about the leadership roles that Moses set up among the Israelites.  There was indeed a hierarchical structure ordained of God.  And that is the important part of "church".  It is not the building or the administrative dealings.  It is the structure and means by which the Lord would perfect the Saints and keep them nurtured by the Good word of God.

 

[Traveler]

10 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Apropos of nothing . . . Or something . . . Biblical scholars believe that the institution of the Jewish synagogue and regimented theological instruction (from which Christian communal worship practices evolved) arose during the Babylonian captivity, and not before.

If this is correct, then it is somewhat remarkable that Nephi and Jacob implemented a system of synagogues amongst their people (as mentioned in 2 Ne 26); because Nephi would have had no precedent for this sort of thing—and yet half a world away, at around the same time, his fellow Jewish exiles were developing something very similar.

Actually Biblical scholars are in conflict as to when the practice of synagogue first took  place.  We know for sure that the practice was taking place upon the return of the Jews from Babylon and we know that the Babylonians had a similar practice.  The argument is around if Israel ever gathered in congregations prior to the Babylon captivity.  Part of the problem is that there is precious little archaeological evidence because the Babylonians tore down all the Jewish structures (including the temple) leaving the area desolate when Judah was defeated. 

Myself. I believe it to be a stretch to purport that prior to the Babylon captivity that the Jews never came together to worship on the Sabbath.

 

The Traveler

[theplains]

On 11/13/2018 at 11:36 AM, Traveler said:

I do not see the fall as a failure of G-d to realize the treachery and cunningness of Satan or the gullibility knowingly and deliberately given by G-d to Adam and Eve - rather I see the fall of Adam and Eve as a failure of Satan (the serpent) as well as many mortal men to comprehend the forward thinking of G-d to being about his eternal purposes for his creation. 

 

The Traveler

What do you believe is Adam's first sin?

[Fether]

4 hours ago, theplains said:

What do you believe is Adam's first sin?

Adam probably felt some frustration that first night away from the garden when it got cold and Eve kept hogging the blankets

[Traveler]

On 11/17/2018 at 9:44 AM, theplains said:

What do you believe is Adam's first sin?

I believe that the Eden epoch is symbolic and that Adam, in the epoch, is symbolic of more than the single person that was our first parent.  For example the name "Adam" as given in the ancient Hebrew means "mankind".  There is a problem that occurs when we try to understanding scripture by our own devices without the spirit of G-d.  In other words when we think literally rather than rely on G-d.  The knowledge of Good and Evil is not a sin by it's self.  But there must be sin in order to bring about death.  All that die must choose sin - else G-d is not just - and being unjust is a sin.  The symbol of Apple Corp. is an apple with a missing bite - which is used to symbolize the choice to experience sin and death.  So the answer to your question - The first sin is to choose to become mortal and require a Savor or Christ.  But the first sin is not important and those that think in such terms are missing what is important.  Because what is important is the last sin - which is to reject Christ.

 

The Traveler

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Traveler said:

I believe that the Eden epoch is symbolic and that Adam, in the epoch, is symbolic of more than the single person that was our first parent.  For example the name "Adam" as given in the ancient Hebrew means "mankind". 

That is the more superficial etymology.  The Hebrew word for "man" has its roots in the word אדם ('adam) which means "to be red", as well as the Akkadian "adamu" (earth/dirt).  This combination renders the meaning that "man is a creature with ruddy skin made from the dust of the earth".