laronius Posted June 10, 2023 Report Posted June 10, 2023 2 Nephi 2: 7 Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered. Justice is essentially enforcing consequences of choices, blessings for obedience and punishment for disobedience. Is that was is meant by the ends of the law or is that only the means to an end with the ends of the law being something beyond that? Anddenex 1 Quote
Vort Posted June 10, 2023 Report Posted June 10, 2023 Ends = purposes. That is: To what ends is the law given? Those ends (purposes) are "the ends of the law". laronius, Traveler, JohnsonJones and 2 others 5 Quote
Carborendum Posted June 10, 2023 Report Posted June 10, 2023 Ends = Results/goals/requirements Jesus answered the requirement of the law to punish those who sin. Thus "He offereth himself a sacrifice for sin." But this needs to be informed by some interesting word play is between the Spanish & English. English: Atonement Spanish: expiación (And we have the English word: expiation.) Atonement originally came from the words at-one-ment. And it meant that people were being reconciled after some offense was healed. But because of religious usage of the word, it has come to refer to the payment that facilitates the reconciliation. Expiation refers to the payment of a penalty. While we revere and worship Jesus for the payment of the penalty (the requirements of the law), the resulting reconciliation with God is what we can look forward to (the results/goals). JohnsonJones 1 Quote
laronius Posted June 11, 2023 Author Report Posted June 11, 2023 23 hours ago, Carborendum said: Ends = Results/goals/requirements Jesus answered the requirement of the law to punish those who sin. Thus "He offereth himself a sacrifice for sin." But this needs to be informed by some interesting word play is between the Spanish & English. English: Atonement Spanish: expiación (And we have the English word: expiation.) Atonement originally came from the words at-one-ment. And it meant that people were being reconciled after some offense was healed. But because of religious usage of the word, it has come to refer to the payment that facilitates the reconciliation. Expiation refers to the payment of a penalty. While we revere and worship Jesus for the payment of the penalty (the requirements of the law), the resulting reconciliation with God is what we can look forward to (the results/goals). This is along the lines of what I was thinking it might be referring to. Technically there generally isn't a real punishment for disobedience, just withheld blessings. So if the law exists to make those blessings available then it's intent would be salvation, to whatever degree we are willing to qualify for. Quote
Anddenex Posted June 12, 2023 Report Posted June 12, 2023 On 6/10/2023 at 12:54 PM, laronius said: Justice is essentially enforcing consequences of choices, blessings for obedience and punishment for disobedience. Is that was is meant by the ends of the law or is that only the means to an end with the ends of the law being something beyond that? As a result of the Fall we are -- all -- lost and fallen, and will in turn be subject to and answer the ends of the law. The first law of heaven is obedience. The second law is sacrifice. The law of sacrifice (the Lord, Jesus Christ's Atonement) was given due to the law of obedience being rejected/broken. Because we have broken the first law (obedience) we must answer its ends -- physical and spiritual death. The Atonement (the law of sacrifice) is the only measure -- outside of ourselves -- that can properly answer the ends of the law (physical and spiritual death) if we have broken the first law of obedience. The ends of the law is the natural order of justice and mercy. Without the ends of the law there can be no justice or mercy. In that light, it appears there are two ends of the law. The one where people will answer for their own sins (so to speak -- 1000 years as in scripture), and the ends of the law through the Atonement. I would then agree (I would also add mercy) is essentially blessing for obedience and punishment for disobedience. Carborendum and JohnsonJones 2 Quote
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