The Right to Self-defense

[Carborendum]

California is submitting AB-1333, which will severely limit one's right to self-defense or the defense of another.

The "responsibility to retreat" is further aggravated by the fact that one is not allowed to defend against sexual assault or theft or similar felonies.  You simply have to let them do it.

Part (b)(3)(B) is almost laughable if it weren't so dystopian.

 

[zil2]

In other words, in California, you do not have a right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.  It is a demonic state and any sane person would flee yesterday.

[Ironhold]

9 minutes ago, zil2 said:

In other words, in California, you do not have a right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.  It is a demonic state and any sane person would flee yesterday.

A big part of why housing prices are going up so fast here in Texas is that people are fleeing California and other blue states over nonsense like this. 

I'm about two hours northwest of Austin by road, and we've had prices double in the past decade; some houses have even tripled. 

What makes things so frustrating is that a lot of the people who flee these areas then turn right around & start demanding policies or promoting social / political stances that would turn Texas into whatever garbage pit they fled from. It's like they can't understand A leading to B. 

[Carborendum]

7 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

What makes things so frustrating is that a lot of the people who flee these areas then turn right around & start demanding policies or promoting social / political stances that would turn Texas into whatever garbage pit they fled from.

Don't California my Texas!!!

7 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

It's like they can't understand A leading to B. 

Yeah.  Socialism is great if we do it right. Where has it ever been done right? 

Even Sweden is much worse off now than they used to be before adoption of socialist policies.

In Houston, the city/county policies are basically "catch and release" for most offenses.  That is a place where there is a piece of California in Texas (in some ways worse than Austin).

[zil2]

Good points.  I guess they should stay and take back their government or suffer the consequences and leave the rest of us alone.

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Part (b)(3)(B) is almost laughable if it weren't so dystopian.

 

Legalese is hard to follow. 

(b) Homicide is not justifiable when committed by a person in all of the following cases:

   (3) When the person was the assailant, engaged in mutual combat, or knowingly engaged in conduct reasonably likely to provoke a person to commit a felony or do some great bodily injury, except if either of the following circumstances apply:

         (B) In good faith, the person withdrew from the encounter with the other assailant or assailants and indicated clearly to the other assailant or assailants that the person desired to withdraw and terminated the use of any force, but the other assailant or assailants continued or resumed the use of force.

AI Plain English summary: 

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Here's a plain English translation of that text:

Homicide (killing someone) is not considered justifiable (acceptable) in the following situations:

• If the person who committed the homicide was the attacker, involved in a fight, or did something that would likely provoke someone else to commit a serious crime or cause serious injury.

However, there is an exception:

• If the person, in good faith, tried to leave the encounter and clearly showed they wanted to stop using force, but the other person continued or resumed using force.

So, Carb gets into a road rage incident and both cars pull over and both of you get out.  Both of you approach each other, both of you with bats, both of you claiming you're gonna bash in the other guy's head.  After a few swings and some damage, dude drops the bat and raises his hands defensively and backs off, saying 'ok bro you win I don't wanna fight any more'.   If you proceed to end him at that point, your homicide might be considered justifiable.  You might claim he was still a threat, and you feared he was going to pull a gun on you next.  That's what b3B says. 

Edited March 11 by NeuroTypical

[NeuroTypical]

47 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Don't California my Texas!!!

Colorado has all but fallen to the Cali inmigrants.   This original bill would just outright ban semiautomatic firearms.  We've forced amendments so now it adds hoops you must jump through (training and whatnot) before you buy one.   It'll possibly pass.

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/semiautomatic-gun-bill-set-for-first-committee-vote-in-the-house

 

Time for another Morse/Girion.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Colorado_recall_election

Edited March 11 by NeuroTypical

[Carborendum]

29 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

 

Legalese is hard to follow. 

(b) Homicide is not justifiable when committed by a person in all of the following cases:

   (3) When the person was the assailant, engaged in mutual combat, or knowingly engaged in conduct reasonably likely to provoke a person to commit a felony or do some great bodily injury, except if either of the following circumstances apply:

         (B) In good faith, the person withdrew from the encounter with the other assailant or assailants and indicated clearly to the other assailant or assailants that the person desired to withdraw and terminated the use of any force, but the other assailant or assailants continued or resumed the use of force.

AI Plain English summary: 

So, Carb gets into a road rage incident and both cars pull over and both of you get out.  Both of you approach each other, both of you with bats, both of you claiming you're gonna bash in the other guy's head.  After a few swings and some damage, dude drops the bat and raises his hands defensively and backs off, saying 'ok bro you win I don't wanna fight any more'.   If you proceed to end him at that point, your homicide might be considered justifiable.  You might claim he was still a threat, and you feared he was going to pull a gun on you next.  That's what b3B says. 

I read it correctly.  It is in line with your re-wording.

I thought it absurd because of the specificity of a possible specific, narrow, description would be considered when a broader category of such things is already just common sense.

That's why I called it dystopian.

[Carborendum]

22 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Colorado has all but fallen to the Cali inmigrants.   This original bill would just outright ban semiautomatic firearms.  We've forced amendments so now it adds hoops you must jump through (training and whatnot) before you buy one.   It'll possibly pass.

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/semiautomatic-gun-bill-set-for-first-committee-vote-in-the-house

In the meantime, Texas finally passed a Constitutional Carry law (I believe it was some time last year).

BTW, my daughter is thinking about moving to Aurora to live with grandma&pa for a while.  Any culture shock to be had?

Edited March 11 by Carborendum

[NeuroTypical]

39 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

BTW, my daughter is thinking about moving to Aurora to live with grandma&pa for a while.  Any culture shock to be had?

Over the years, I've absolutely noticed a big uptick in homeless, tent cities, trash, and vandalism on the main street running through Aurora.  Aurora consistently makes national news for having the most progressive town leadership this side of Seattle and Portland.  It remains a proud sanctuary city when even our gay governor has distanced his state from the notion.  I forget if they've legalized injection sites or not, but they're always talking about it.   Aurora made international news and helped get Trump elected after exposing it's Tren de Aragua problem, with door cams showing gang members with rifles prowling around apartment buildings.  The problem was absolutely blown out of proportion by the right wing press, but yeah, Aurora is no stranger to gangs and immigrant issues. 

All that said, off the main drag, the surrounding neighborhoods might be just fine.  Grandma/pa's experience in Aurora is the determining factor.  I only drive through it from time to time - we go to the hospital up there occasionally.   One hospital visit we noticed an unfinished apartment complex across the road was on fire, and it made the news as started by homeless. 

I'm posting scary things, so absolutely check with grandparents first to see what their day to day life in Aurora looks like.  It's entirely possible they're in a safe neighborhood miles and miles away from all the madness.