Multiple God question

[lostnfound]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaih we read " I know no other Gods."

How does lds teaching explain this?

[Guest tomk]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaih we read " I know no other Gods."

How does lds teaching explain this?

I personally believe there are multiple Gods, perhaps millions of Gods before the one we currently Worship as our Father. I don't know why anyone would find this offensive or strange. I find it to be quite logical and natural.

I don't know who the "first" God was, or if there is even is one. It may be beyond our ability to comprehend right now.

Yes, our Father in Heaven knows about all other Gods.

LDS teachings believe that the phrase "[we] know no other Gods" -- it means we Worship the Father and the Son. There may be other gods, but we don't "worry about them" -- we focus on Father and the Son. They are the ones we worship.

For official doctrine on this subject -- I encourage you to visit LDS.org -- or speak with the missionaries.

You will get lots of opinions here. This is not an official site of the LDS Church.

[lilered]

This we do know!

In the premortal existence, Heavenly Father prepared a plan to enable us to become like Him and receive a fulness of joy. The scriptures refer to this plan as "the plan of salvation" (Alma 24:14; Moses 6:62), "the great plan of happiness" (Alma 42:8), "the plan of redemption" (Jacob 6:8; Alma 12:30), and "the plan of mercy" (Alma 42:15). The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father's plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities.

God the Father is the Supreme Being in whom we believe and whom we worship. He is the ultimate Creator, Ruler, and Preserver of all things. He is perfect, has all power, and knows all things. He "has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (D&C 130:22).

Eph: 4

6 One God and aFather of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Pres. Boyd K Packer indicates the following;

There are many other verses of scripture, at least an equal number in the Bible, that speak in plural terms of “lords” and “gods.”

The first chapter of Genesis states:

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” (Gen. 1:26; italics added.)

Such references are found from Genesis to Revelation. (See Rev. 1:6.)

The strongest one was given by Christ Himself when He quoted that very clear verse from the Eighty-second Psalm:

“Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [see Ps. 82:6.]

“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” (John 10:34–36; italics added.)

The acceptance of this truth does not mean accepting the multiple gods of mythology nor the polytheism of the pagans, which was so roundly condemned by Isaiah and the other prophets.

There is one God, the Father of all. This we accept as fundamental doctrine.

There is only one Redeemer, Mediator, Savior. This we know.

There is one Holy Ghost, a personage of spirit, who completes the Godhead.

I have emphasized the word one, in each sentence, but I have used it three times. Three is plural.

Paul used the plural many and the singular one in the same verse:

“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

“But to us there is but one God, the Father.” (1 Cor. 8:5–6.)

Anyone who believes and teaches of God the Father, and accepts the divinity of Christ, and of the Holy Ghost, teaches a plurality of Gods.

[MaidservantX]

If you want to have the same understanding that members of the Church of Jesus Christ have about God, then feel free to study the same materials that we do.

Start here: :)

Topical Guide: God

Also, there is a new website that is now available, officially from the Church:

Jesus Christ, The Son of God

If you don't want to have the same understanding that members of the Church have about God, then what is the purpose of your questions?

Thanks for your great spirit of friendship! :)

[Traveler]

Because of the fall of man – man is separated from that kingdom of heaven where G-d is L-rd of L-rds, King of Kings and G-d of G-ds. For man there is only one L-rd and G-d that can mediate with that society of heaven. This is a most important notion and teaching among Christians. It is also important to note that if Adam dealt with the same G-d before and after the fall then there was no fall and there is no mediator, Christianity would be false and there was not Christ. Also note that in scripture that all references to G-d prior to the fall are plural and after the fall all references are singular.

Since Jesus Christ is the only mediator G-d and because Isaiah is specifically referring to dumb idols (we know this because of the parallel structure utilized by Isaiah in his ancient Hebrew poetic form in which he wrote) the literal structure is understandable. It is also important to note concerning the ancient order of Kingdoms that the servant of the Suzerain maintained the same title as the Suzerain and often spoke in the first person for the Suzerain.

Most Christians today have not lived in a true Kingdom as did the ancients. Thus there is much confusion concerning the protocol of ancient Kingdoms and proper understanding of the Suzerain of the kingdom.

The Traveler

[Vanhin]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaih we read " I know no other Gods."

How does lds teaching explain this?

According to the scriptures, there are three Personages in the Godhead. God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. They are each a God, but are absolutely unified in purpose and doctrine. They are the Eternal Father of heaven and earth (Mosiah 15:1-4).

It sounds like you are referring to Mormon folklore, and misconceptions found in the Godmaker video (and perpetuated by some members, unfortunately).

We, as spirit children of God the Father, may be exalted and made joint-heirs with Christ, throught the Atonement of Jesus Christ, by our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. Our scriptures teach that we will receive "...exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified." (D&C 132:63). We will be gods (notice the little "g") and will worship and glorify the Father, who is the Supreme Ruler of the universe, and his Christ, in whose presence we will live forever.

Regards,

Vanhin

[WillowTheWhisp]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

We can't answer that because we have not been taught it. Heavenly Father teaches us only those things we need to know, therefore it must not be important or relevant to us. Or quite simply it may be impossible for us to understand. I already have enough trouble trying to get my head round infinity and eternity.

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaih we read " I know no other Gods."

How does lds teaching explain this?

He would know, as we know our parents and grandparents, but our parents and grandparents are not the parents of our children so in that sense we are the only parents that we know in connection with our own children.

[lostnfound]

I personally believe there are multiple Gods, perhaps millions of Gods before the one we currently Worship as our Father. I don't know why anyone would find this offensive or strange. I find it to be quite logical and natural.

I don't know who the "first" God was, or if there is even is one. It may be beyond our ability to comprehend right now.

Yes, our Father in Heaven knows about all other Gods.

LDS teachings believe that the phrase "[we] know no other Gods" -- it means we Worship the Father and the Son. There may be other gods, but we don't "worry about them" -- we focus on Father and the Son. They are the ones we worship.

For official doctrine on this subject -- I encourage you to visit LDS.org -- or speak with the missionaries.

You will get lots of opinions here. This is not an official site of the LDS Church.

okay question for you. I have learned on this forum that there is also according to lds doctrine a goddess but she is not talked about because you don't know much about her..

So when the scriptures state "There are no other Gods" and you state that would mean on this planet is'nt that a contridiction?? That would 1. God the Father 2. Jesus is God 3. Holy spirit God 4. Goddess..That is 4 Gods just on this planet.

[Guest tomk]

okay question for you. I have learned on this forum that there is also according to lds doctrine a goddess but she is not talked about because you don't know much about her..

So when the scriptures state "There are no other Gods" and you state that would mean on this planet is'nt that a contridiction?? That would 1. God the Father 2. Jesus is God 3. Holy spirit God 4. Goddess..That is 4 Gods just on this planet.

Everyone is so worried about "how many Gods there are." :) :)

It's much simpler than that.

Try not to see it in terms of "how many Gods can there be?"

In other words, instead of trying to box it in and narrowly define it -- expand your views to accept the idea of millions of Gods, all doing what our Heavenly Father does - saving and exalting His children as much as they are willing.

The idea of "ONE" God has never been about a number. It has been about an ideal. The ideal of ONENESS. One in purpose.

On THIS earth, our focus is on Heavenly Father and Christ as our Savior. They are the Gods we worship. Yes, there are other gods, but our focus is not on them.

All the inhabitants of the Celestial Kingdom, the highest degree where God dwells, are married. So there are Gods and Godsesses, yes.

[Misshalfway]

I believe Isaiah is talking about other gods that are created by the imaginations of man. God the Father is the ONLY God we should worship, pray to, and obey. We do so thru the mediator Jesus Christ and God communicates and sanctifies us thru his Holy Spirit. They are ONE god, three separate beings with one singular purpose but different roles inside that purpose -- all working together to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

When you read mormon ideas, I think it would be helpful to understand that many of our leaders and scholars asked a lot of questions to God. Some he gave answers -- personal answers -- that can only be understood in context. They are not canonized. They are not revelations that were necessarily meant to being given from the pulpit, if you get what i mean. We do refer to other "God the Fathers" but only in that area of speculation as it may relate to a discussion about progression. It is deeper doctrine and not important to salvation. So, if you can, try not to get hung up on that. It really isn't important, and doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you don't understand more basic stuff. That goes with the idea of a Heavenly Mother as well. We do not pray to her or receive commandments from her. We have one or two references to her in revelation, but that is all. Make sense? The LDS church is not ancient Greece.

Do we believe in more than one God? Yes. We believe in the Godhead. 3 in 1. We believe that we can progress and become like God, but ONLY thru Christ and the atonement. We are lost and damned without it. We sometimes call that becoming a god too. But that is only in the sense that we become like Him with his help. He will always be our Almighty Father and the Savior will always be our Christ. It is progression......just like a child grows into an adult and becomes independent, we will grow and develop into our spiritual adulthood IF we follow the plan of salvation as outlined. Obedience is the key to all of it. God is god because he obeys eternal law perfectly. That is why their is no sin in him. He is incapable of being disobedient. If he were to be disobedient, he would cease to be God.

[lostnfound]

Everyone is so worried about "how many Gods there are." :) :)

It's much simpler than that.

Try not to see it in terms of "how many Gods can there be?"

In other words, instead of trying to box it in and narrowly define it -- expand your views to accept the idea of millions of Gods, all doing what our Heavenly Father does - saving and exalting His children as much as they are willing.

The idea of "ONE" God has never been about a number. It has been about an ideal. The ideal of ONENESS. One in purpose.

On THIS earth, our focus is on Heavenly Father and Christ as our Savior. They are the Gods we worship. Yes, there are other gods, but our focus is not on them.

All the inhabitants of the Celestial Kingdom, the highest degree where God dwells, are married. So there are Gods and Godsesses, yes.

When a doctrine develops that contridicts the bible I have to bring it up and understand it.

[Guest tomk]

When a doctrine develops that contridicts the bible I have to bring it up and understand it.

Have I helped any?

It is just my perspective. You are not required to agree with me.

[Moksha]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

He who sits first chair in the Pantheon.

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaiah we read " I know no other Gods."

How does LDS teaching explain this?

Perhaps the answer is "You will have no other Gods before me".

[Traveler]

Okay..My other question about LDS is on the topic of God.

If their are multiple Gods then who was the First God?

2. my second question is wouldn't God know about the other Gods? If your nodding your head yes to this question..which I hope you would..because he is God..then in Isaih we read " I know no other Gods."

How does lds teaching explain this?

I can answer this in part because you do not understand that Isaiah was written in an ancient Hebrew poetic form.

For example you may be implying that G-d is ether really stupid or not very knowing and has a really bad memory. Is it possible that he does not know about the false g-ds of the time – like Baal?

Let me point you in another direction along this same line. Remember when Jesus was brought before Pilot and the Jews said, “We have no king but Cesar”? Who was David?

Now I will use some other very simple logic. Remember in scripture the epoch of Adam and the fall of Adam? Even though the logic is very simple many traditional Trinitarian Christians blow even the most simple concepts. Which is this. If man (Adam) was to deal with the same G-d after the fall that he dealt with before the fall then there really was not a fall and there really is no need for a “Mediator”. If there is no fall and no need for a mediator then the whole thing of Jesus being the Christ and savior is a hoax.

The Traveler

[lostnfound]

Have I helped any?

It is just my perspective. You are not required to agree with me.

Yes you have helped..:)

[lostnfound]

I can answer this in part because you do not understand that Isaiah was written in an ancient Hebrew poetic form.

For example you may be implying that G-d is ether really stupid or not very knowing and has a really bad memory. Is it possible that he does not know about the false g-ds of the time – like Baal?

Let me point you in another direction along this same line. Remember when Jesus was brought before Pilot and the Jews said, “We have no king but Cesar”? Who was David?

Now I will use some other very simple logic. Remember in scripture the epoch of Adam and the fall of Adam? Even though the logic is very simple many traditional Trinitarian Christians blow even the most simple concepts. Which is this. If man (Adam) was to deal with the same G-d after the fall that he dealt with before the fall then there really was not a fall and there really is no need for a “Mediator”. If there is no fall and no need for a mediator then the whole thing of Jesus being the Christ and savior is a hoax.

The Traveler

I agree the logic is simple..and its easy to take scriptures out of contexts and that happens alot.