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LOL...I remember that book. Is he still alive?

Some of us will be leaving this mortality very soon in order prepare for that coming day of the Savior.

True....thanks.

If she is baptized. Otherwise, prior to baptism, it is in the Mission President hands.

Willow, as mortal men, we are still imperfect beings and at times, require chastisement. There been occasions where my wife would confide in me on my own omissions of wrongful move. As I already alluded too in another thread, we need to follow the whispering of the Spirit vice the strict enforcement of the manual. Anyone standing in an authoritian priesthood role needs to draw close to the Spirit and not always the manual.

That is correct with the statement presented in the "Preach My Gospel". Missionaries will tell you the same. Bishops and Stake Presidents will work with you as a member in finding another solution to your problem. We are all the GOD's children and are here to care for each other.

The GA who wrote it and still lives [humor], reminded one stake president that he wish he never wrote the manual.

Correct. There are Bishops who do not use the form. Back to the original question, if the member is still receiving any type of monies or receivable goods, he or she is still require to pay tithing as earn income; whether it comes from the feds, the state, or the city. Even the IRS will account this as capitol gain for income taxes. Though, I can caution myself on this one, it is noted that a few Bishops may step outside of that manual derived answer based on what is true circumstances for that family and what Spirit is confirming as the right move.

This thread reminds me of the Lighthouse group out of Texas. If you don’t know who they are, don’t bother. It sad to see such people claiming themselves believers of Christ, let alone a follower. This is how they employee their own agenda: at first, the tactic of the sheep suited wolf stands in the midst of among the sheep’s, seeking a line questions while later after being cornered by their own lack of biblical understanding, begin the defecation process of tramping the gospel, BOM, and members of the CFB. However, during one of those brief encounters on another forum, when the ‘hurling process of tramping on the most important figure of our dispensation’, ‘I manage to leave the house [thread] and thus removed my shoes’ at the curb. My sorrows remains to this day.

That popular axiom reminds me of Psalms 127: 1 " Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it:..." Another Phil 2:13, Phil 4:13, Acts 17:28..

Agreed Doctor T! After reread...’..gotta love those neuron gods in not have that collaborated cooperation.’ [Humor] Truth can withstand scrutiny. My reasoning of what I typed, is based on our own ignorance with the corporeal Godhead or the gospel itself. Not only that, we allow academic arrogance to surface.

Great writeup and interesting response.

Yes, for the few out there of scholarly notoriety, upon the Savior’s resurrection, we do know that the graves were open for the just and they did receive there heavenly rewards. If that being the case, currently, there is no body for Abraham, Adam, Eve, and so on since we do know they were indeed just. Now, resurrection to make it simple is the mortal becomes immortal; thus the mortal flesh to be return to that disembodied spirit body and made perfect. 1] Many mummies found throughout the globe, dated before the Savior’s birth, what is the statues of these people? We have there body… 2] If the resurrection gates are open, why the prophets [including righteous people] since Christ not resurrected?

Xan, my sense, that is not your true intention. Truth does not requies any scrutiny. If I am filled with pride, I guess your baseless assumption is the same for the Savior when He responded to the Pharisees.

Exactly where does the disembodied spirit go?

SOUL = mortal body + spirit body + intelligence [i AM] SPIRIT = spirit body + intelligence [i AM]

It is also should be noted, the Bishop at times, need to put away the 'manual' and listen to the Holy Ghost for the appropriate answer.

The problem with the bible or collection of works, it is not complete. If it was, it would pale my own 4,000 page journal. Even the Brother of Jared and Abraham, who were prior to Moses, had records of fathers [since Adam], which we do not have today.

When ever I do learn new subject, I will toy with it, ponder it, studying it, then posed the question to others of notable academic field. Upon what I conceive a finalize answer, ask GOD whether or not, this is the correct answer while waiting upon the Holy Ghost for that confirmation. What is return, may not be our finalized proposed answer.

I do understand our Heavenly Parental love for HIS progeny; as I do understand the plan of our FATHER for a redeemer to forefill that very plan in order to save HIS creation. As I also understand the creational beginning was not the beginning of humanity. As I now understand the Plan of Atonement, if worked backward in succession to our beginning spelled out in Abraham chapter 3 [D&C 93], gives more clarity of humanity beginnings. Now, who is the greatest story teller ever? When I read Moses genesis of creation, I do see it now in a different light when the greatest story teller reveals a truth when Adam and Eve were created. There is a 'creational string' connection with the Atonement back to the beginning our humanity, which gives credence to biblical axiom '…demands of justice...' . GOD continues in the same order as it was before HIM. When I view the universe, I don’t view it within, but I view without. What I do see is an entire different depiction from what notable scholars and science would have you believe. Our last finding with immense hole in space this month is one more illustration of my point. Now, I sat down with my 12-year old and presented her a paper on what I wanted to convey. Why her? Our family notable intellectual and current thinking is without scholastic prejudicism. She read the paper and came away with series of questions that she felt somewhat, unsettling.

I like to know how tall the Jaredites were, noting the oversize breastplates. I need some of that DNA sample.

Depends on your spiritual maturity, is the method of reception. For some, it is a feeling, for the few, it is a voice like Paul on the road of Damascus. It is your desire, sincerety, humilty, and obiedence that will stir your course for the answer. I was not converted by the BOM. Matter of fact, at first, I found the book of historical value but not added value. My own ignorance was showing. However, I found the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price fascinating and held my interest. There are ‘whispering’ to the soul across the thinning veil that drives the soul in hungering for the answer. If by chance you have read the BOM and there is no whispering, or excitement stirring your soul, then something is muddled with your own life – the phrase ‘attunement’ is the key here to the Hoy Spirit. You have to remember, our testimony is the outcome of our prayer in seeking the answer, whether or not, Christ lives, Joseph Smith was a prophet, and the very fact this is the only church that belongs to GOD when we already reading the works prior to our conversion. GOD is not going to respond to you when there is no effect on your part. Isn’t life filled with trials? Would you surrender your soul to the GOD’s will? Could you endure the truth when received to the very end, no matter the circumstances? Do you understand how the Holy Ghost conveys a confirmation versus the devils? There is nothing that a devil can give you that brings joyous, electricafying feelings to the soul. That is beyond there own comprehension. Evil is evil and does not bring any good to this world. Most history I do read is an observation viewpoint written dialog by an author and can be filled with biased opinionation. Where was the first empire setup upon planet earth? It ends in the same location. Did He? That is own assumption based on your observation. If HE was a liar, you and me would not exist, nor would this part of creation. What is the grand truth to any GOD's plan? Let me help here, it is call 'FREE AGENCY.' We choose our path, whether it leads to destruction or it leads to the glory of GOD. The church fell away due to wolfs crept in among the sheep. We do know who the wolfs were serving in the end and it was not GOD. Let me correct that - it was John, the youngest among the original twelve who seek that very desire to remain on earth. He still lives, as Moses, as Alma Jr, and hundred others who still roam the planet or nearby planets. Peter was crusified in Rome, up side down as requested. James was beheaded by the so-called priests. More like murders to me. Yes, they hold the keys for there own dispensation as other notable OT prophets did. In the end, Adam will hold all to be return to Christ when He returns. I do see you are limited in your understanding how the priesthood works. No problem.... By removing the Prophet [Peter] and no succeeding prophet or replacement for the twelve was instituted [noting communication], it was impossible for the church to react quickly. I can say, I never knew how many lackeys do the devil bidding. Do you really think the Bible is complete? Do you know there are more than 5,000 plus scrolls, papayas, or written texts that were not consider by those apostates and pagans? I even have a running list of four different time periods where some of the NT was not even considered canonized. Some of the writings previously held as canonized writing, even fell off that same list during that grand pagan council. You could list reference upon reference, at this time; it is matter of your spiritual maturity in receiving the Holy Spirit confirmation to the truth. That remains to be seen at this point. Remember, desire, hope, sincerety, humility, should be the true intent in earnestly seeking the Gospel of Christ.

The political issue right now, my opinion, I don't believe in voting for party or someone based on religious belief, or being of the same faith. Looking at our bleak candidates prospective for president, Cain would be better serve in selecting Mitt for VP, noting his vast business ethics and required skills to bail this nation out of soon-to-be financial bomb. A-Train is correct, the church has no official position with both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Desire - Hope - Faith - Knowledge Everything can be proven. It is matter of you being spiritual prepared and mature in receiving the answer. Faith leaps beyond worldly logic.

My question is do you really understand the Atonement or the term Christian?