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I absolutely agree with you. I like the way many "modern" Muslims describe polygamy. While a Muslim woman who is secular may say would never want to live in polygamy she will often note something like "However, the Prophet recorded that in Allah's eyes it is permissable for a man to have up to four wives so if there are believing men and women who want to live like that it is okay". I much more honest and genuine than when I hear some Mormons degrade the entire practice and then say they should go after people who practice polygamy -- and then create an imaginary distinction (philosophically speaking) between the mainstream Mormon Church and the fundamentalist Mormon organizations. The "ban" on polygamy is not a condemnation of the practice (doctrine) but rather a policy statement -- which can lead to excommunication. To then say these people have in some way stolen the term "Mormon" is akin to when the communists in China arrested Mao's wife and three other leaders for being counter-revolutionaries (ironically, because they wanted to preserve Mao's communist theories). The people who called Mormons Mormons back in 1880 were speaking of people whe accepted Joseph Smith as a prophet and believed in the Book of Mormon, the Bible and certain doctrines like polygamy. So...

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Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

Look, I realize there are actually people who fit the clinical model for being sexual addicts. I also realize that there are people who THINK they or someone they know might be an addict based on ideas that may be based on certain views of what is right or wrong but do not actually conform to the clinical model. Let's say my wife looked at some porn on the net occasionally, so what? From a scriptural standpoint it might be wrong -- just like having a glass of wine for her meals or not wearing her garmets but that would hardly be cause for me to seek some sort of professional help. And as long as she is not glancing at the personal ads under threesomes wanted or getting drunk and driving I think the best action would be to love her and show absolute committment! That is what the Gospel is all about -- love the sinner, hate the sin and try to help the other person along -- not call the medics in if it isn't warrented! You ask if a man does something to jeapardize his priesthood then shouldn't that warrent concern. Of course, from a Gospel viewpoint but if he decides not to go to church or to start drinking coffee that can cause problems -- but not problems that require some sort of intervention from people with PhDs or Masters degrees. And if a wife (or husband) starts getting hysterical over these issues perhaps there is something else that might need examination.

Shanstress70, this so reminds me of a comment from a boss I had back in college. She and her husband were staunch Catholics -- and there were no divorces in any of their extended family (siblings, children, etc.). They had also been married about 40 years I think. Sometimes the hubby went with the younger men to the local nudie bar. She knew that and once laughed and told me that if one of those attractive young strippers wanted to run off with her husband she was welcomed to him. They had a strong relationship and she knew her husband was devoted to her. I am so sick and tired of people making it a "crisis" when their husband might be looking at nude women on the net -- or maybe likes sex all the time. Same for wives (but we never hear about that in the Church articles or from the hysterics that exist in every ward) who maybe surf porn sites very occasionally or like to think about or have sex a lot. It's not a crisis most of the time.

Sgallen, it's happened before. Doubt the world is coming to an end anytime soon.

My objection is that many people are trying to create psychological conditions that may exist in a very narrow part of the population, but do not actually apply to many people who are convinced their partner or they themselves have the actual condition. This can create many, many problems out there. People are hung up on a lot of strange things nowadays. Some parents think that if their 4 year old daughter says she prefers to watch women dance on TV and that girls look nicer than boys that their daughter is going to grow up and become a lesbian -- or if their 4 year old son likes to hold hands with boys he must be gay. This just is not the case but so many people are neurotic to the extent that they afix all kinds of ailments based on the flimbsiest of evidence and observations.

Here we go again...just what definition can one give that can measure what a sex addict truly is? Sure if the hubby is spending his spare time in the adult bookstore or picking up prostitutes you have a problem. If he's just into sex a lot then count your blessings and remember there's a lot of men who really are like Al Bundy. Men and women think about sex a lot -- it's normal and natural. I truly hope that people aren't running off and trying to fix labels on what is actually normal behavior. Personally, I think there may be a biggger problem out there with women raised with so much repression of sexual appitites that this interferes with their marriages than there are men who really, truly are sex addicts in a CLINICAL sense.

Interesting article: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1243302006 There's a little scripture in Moroni, one verse long, that suggests God withdrew all support of the Nephites because the men raped Lamanite women and then ate them. Academics have long denounced the idea of advanced Indian tribes practicing ritual cannibalism (especially as a humiliation against prisoners of war) but here is forensic proof that such eating of people did indeed exist in Meso-America. It's only been in recent years that forensic techniques have been emplyed to examine the people eating people controversy. In recent years scientists have dug into ancient latrines and found huge amounts of human hemoglobin present -- proving that human meat was ingested after major sacrifices on the pyramids. Quite an interesting insight on ancient cultures.

I actually would reply that all Muslims, or whatever religion. who justify rape, subjugation and killing of innocent people, all in the name of hate I might add, are of Satan. I have known Muslims that are full of the spirit of Christ in my opinion -- but these guys out yelling "death to Jewish apes" or "death to the Great Satan America", or who get off watching hostages get their throats slit on the internet, or who plan terrorist attacks are far from Christ.

Sorry about that. The site changed. However, here is the video in question and here's the link that works: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=669#

First, just imagine that these kinds of messages were standard here -- what would you think? In the Middle East, they are far too common: http://www.shoebat.com/media/palestinian_t...9a54604422e6b43 The London terror alert will wake people up to the fact that even in our sugar coated, politically correct, "Let's all learn from Star Trek" view of life in the western world there are people out there who have some really mean opinions. Worse, there are many who view the west as infidels and deserving of subjugation or worse. Welcome to the jungle. HERE IS THE CORRECT LINK: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=669#

If that would be considered a hate crime check out this Muslim leaders commentary: http://www.shoebat.com/media/palestinian_t...9a54604422e6b43

Sad thing is as long as this sort of thing is standard in the Middle East things are probably going to get worse: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ETC...icEducation.flv This doesn't seem like what we teach in Primary, does it?

Sgallan, just to put the facts straight, the Taliban are mainly Afghan and Pakistani. These cultures do not cut off women's genetilia. This is mainly an African custom, not one in Asia Minor or closeby regions.

I think that is true. My parents were not LDS but would comment on issues of the day and make sure they conveyed what was right and what was wrong. However, they also never made an issue of people I knew and were even quite tolerant of the LDS family that moved in next door. I personally do not see why one would try to hurt others -- give me a break, Jesus did not put rules in front of the most important commandments to love one another and help each other.

My wife is Scandinavian and my job involves a business in Sweden -- so that's where I am most of the time. Not many members in Sweden -- I think there are now more LDS in Moscow than here (and Russia has only been open for about a decade). Swedes and Finns are a quiet sort -- kinda like The Borg on Star Trek (communal, go about their business as if nothing else surrounds them and very conformistic). Took some time getting used to that being from the Pcific Northwest and all. However, with those characteristics it's hard to strike up conversations that might lead to doing missionary work. Hopefully American TV will help to break down the reserved nature of these Europeans up north.

Welcome to the forum Bryan. I could not agree more (well, you and I may differ on procreation attitudes but on everything else I like your style). Strange how Joseph Smith and Brigham Young bot admitted their faults in public and were extremly modest yet many members could never follow their examples. Oh well, I guess we just have to forgive them. I'm a first generation Mormon so I am quite sensitive to the idea that outside the Church people are all acting like the party scene in the movie Caligula. We have more truth revealed to us but that just means we have more understanding of God's wisdom and infinite purpose -- I fear that some, like the Jews of ancient time who interpreted being "God's chosen people" as meaning they were racially superior to their neighbors, believe membership in God's church is like belonging to an exclusive countryclub. My oldest son is having this problem. He moved out when he got a job and is living in Utah. He feels he is totally different than the people in his ward -- hopefully I can convince him that you don't have to fit in to be in and that you can find a good LDS female who is kinda libertarian and open-minded (while having a firm testimony) to marry -- only takes one for now. I have 7 kids and three are six and under. I'd love to go spend a weekend or two in the mountains -- but due to my job I often have to go to other countries for a week or two so I'll wait on that. However, my wife would have no problem with me going camping -- yes, even on Sunday if it stretched for several days (although I would not take a Sunday off to camp just that day). Oh, and don't get too upset with Mormons on the appropriate clothing for your daughter thing. A few years back I let my sons run through the sprinkler at my dad's house without clothing (they were seven and under) and the neighbor (not LDS) looked quite upset. Of course in Europe (where I am now) my daughters go over to our neighbor's house and play with their 7 year old daughter and 5 year old son. They have a little pool and they all strip off and jump in. Guess a couple of people in your ward would freak about that but oh well... Again, welcome and stick around. Judging from your post you might want to join in on the discussions in the adult section.

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Lindy, there are many aspects of body language that indicate if someone is interested in somebody. The neck thing I mentioned refers not to having an exposed neck but tilting the head to the side -- dogs have a similar behavior allowing the lead dog (Alpha male or female) acess to being able to gently bite but the act of submission insures the lead dog (s) will not actually use pressure that would cause immediate death. No, I am not into evolutionary psychology but we all have the same creator and it is not all that surprising that more intelligent mammals might possess similar mating (and other) behaviors.

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First, bring her some really nice flowers, stop by the local cemetary -- you would not believe the beautiful arrangments people just leave lying around. Free -- and don't forget to remove any notes. Just kidding. My advice is to take her to a playground. That's right, a playground. Then talk with her about memories of your parents taking you swinging and such -- and ask her about her experiences. This gets you under the radar and establishes a link with you and her generally fond memories of her father taking her out -- and after all, what a woman is looking for in a relationship is the personification of her father. Talk with her as she is an individual. Do make eye contact -- of course at some point this will make her nervous and she will vere away but then she will reestablish eye contact with you -- usually making a sign of submission such as bearing the neck (common in almost all mammal species). Studies have found that during this few moments the male has to keep focused and not let her "escape" psychologically. The hormonal actions taking place here mimick fear but those are the same physiological reactions that take place when becomming romantically interested. Have fun but also show a level of maturity. Let her speak and show interest in her. You might notice that mose females tend to gravitate to guys who are older than the, This is due (in large part) to males in the teen years developing slower than females who are genetically adapted to start families much earlier than males. You can overcome that hurdle by being more mature than the typical 16 year old. And don't forget -- keep your standards high (if dating an LDS girl that will show respect to her).

Regarding the lesbian nun (sounds like something you might see as a series on one of the three traditional networks) she quit, and I gess she was strongly implying that this meant leaving a place with lots of other lesbian nuns. You know what's ironic though? From a strict definition of virginity a girl who lives as a lesbian is technically a virgin until she has sex with a man. Wonder if Enoch would consider a woman who was what is now being termed a "hasbian" if she joined the Church and gave up lesbianism?