prospectmom

This is totally one of the reasons we moved to a rural area

I am sooo happy for you YIPPIE

I don't think so as long as you donnot lower your standards..... Bars are satans pit as far as I am concerned ..... That is from being a bartender for years and seeing all that happens to people who frequent them , the desensitization of a person..... what was totally wrong eventually seems ok and then fore SOME it is a slippery slide down. I also think that a person who does go out with friends and sets the right example is fine as watching people drink can be a real amusing experience........ There are adults who do act responsibily while drinking and your good influence on them may pay rewards in the end.......

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I understand not all have good experiences with recruters or the military...... I have ... my son in law joined the Navy right out of high school and has seen alot of hte world and loves the Navy he will beable to retire warly if he chooses. He has been to Iraq twice and enjoyed his tour and is going back again. My sons recruiter is awesome and has since recruited a lot of boys up here who had no direction.... I would recommend my recruiter to anyone he is a great guy.... I think it is sad not all get my great experience....

So military is mandatory in Norway???? Since the military is voluntary we have recruitment offices everywhere........

We should be doing all we can to help the new converts stay........... I have seen this problem before.... Keep on going as the church is true .... the people make mistskes

And this is why when non members post questions they get disallusioned ( sp) with the church. Try to answer specific questions. Please do not attack his belief system..... He is honestly and sincerly asking questions and it would be nice if some of our members would answer them in the same manor they are asked.... Guys do not go on the attack....... teach..... help him understand.... give him comparing scriptures between the Bible and BOM ....... then if he does not agree at least we tried and he can see where we are coming from......

Thanks... I was worried some might take my comment wrong or tooo personal...... :}

Aj4u You did a fine job of starting this thread... i hope some of my learned brothers ans sisters can answer your questions. I have a feeling you ability to understand or belive what we do will be hampered by your intense and understandable desire to not be led astray........ The Bible contains translation errors in the natural process of being handed down and translated ... I believe it to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. The bible itself has contradictions ... I think you even pointed them out or another poster ...... about the birth and life of Jesus....... ...... What are some of you exact questions??? I can see where your coming from as I have followed your posts ..... So I will answer as I can and research and hope a more learned member can answer also

My son joined when he was 17 before his senior year..... He joined the National Guard .... For our family it was the only way to pay for college. He is on his way to Iraq..... I still stand by my decision to support him and encourage him on this.... He has grown and matured beyond measure. My sons recrutier was the best, I still call him and the support I get from his recruitment office is amazing..... Think, research, pray , ponder, talk to your parents and bishop...... You will make the right decision for you.

I never thought things could be pushed so far out of perspective ... or believed what dirty minds some of us have......tooo funny yet sad

My son is being prepared for going over to Iraq INTENSE...... I guess they are preparing them for the worse ....... he posponed his wedding date , which is a good thing he was to wed immediatly after returning...... I am glad they are prepared but hope that what they see and go thru is far less than the worse...... I appreciate all the brothers who are going with him and wish peace and support for all the families.

When my parents joined the church postum was a big thing, a grain alternative to coffee.... cooking evaporates the alcohol so no problems there. Non Alcoholic beer is just like non alcoholic wine in my eyes just fine..... I do think we all miss the point when trying to live the Word of Wisdom....... to not do anything in excess..... to eat healthy and live a healthy life.... We need to look at our whole life and see and change the things that effect our well being whether it is on the official list or not....... Just my humble thoughts

b nazareth

aj4u if you notice there are references in each verse in the Book of Mormon.... the reference over Jerusulam... is Luke 2:4 there is no trying to change it.... I do not know why it is said differently but all references go back to the origional accounting I think if you referenced more you would find less frustration

Ogre I mean no offense to anyone..... just trying to point out butting heads gets nowhere..... I am aware of all the posts as I have been following..... I do understand the frustration of you all and I do see where aj4u is comming from even though I disagree with him.... I respect his right to believe what he does....... Plus kindness works so much better than attacks from both sides

Ogre you and Islander could choose not to respond and a funny thing might occur the thread might end...

aj4u... the truth as you see it is so different from the truth as they/we see it and thus is the problem. You turn and twist things to give you the answer you are looking for which is to discredit and discount our church...... The guys here feel as passionate as you do and are doing all they can to present their beliefs ..... the sad thing is NO ONE is listening....... As far as teh MODS there are no rules being broken and while it may be frustrating that you can't change aj4u's mind seeds have been planted which may take time to grow....... Personally I think after being in a cult I would be hyper vigilant to not letting it happen again..... I know I will be no ones faverote for speaking but ..... I do not think Jesus would act this way ...... and we are trying to be/ act like he would right?????? again apologies for jumping in but just can't help myself

i can not say much as this is a subject that confuses me as much as you...... I do know God loves us all and eventually (which is such a big word) things will be made clear..... My prayers and support go out to you. Times like this make my problems and trials seem so very small.... I to wish there were answers for you.

really?????? Tea why????

Justice are you serious There is no reason for me to give up until he does.[/ How sad for you aj4u my post wasn't aimed at you more towards others except for the agreeing to disagree.... I find the butting heads kind of useless and going nowhere.... look for common ground and just agree to disagree on the rest........ You will only believe what you are willing to and to argue with these guys will get you nowhere.... saying all of this out of concern and just plain caring....

P.S. l sorry for jumping in but I have been following this thread for awhile.

wait a minute....... aj4u you are where you are in this journey called life and I can accept that you disagree with what I believe and I can respect you for believing what you do.... Can't that be enough for folks for now???????? Enlightenment dosen't come by attacks but by prayer, study and mostly time....Putting a non member down for what he believes is not good..... state you case and agree to disagree...... we are all after the same thing and really aj4u will be getting exactly what he believes.... we just know it could be so much more .....

BUT Ogre please know it is the few tha act that way ........ when I was divorced and going to church I was taken aside by the Relief Society President and told " You can't have any of our husbands"........ this really floored me and was a part of my becoming inactive again... Do I blame the whole church no but at the time it relly hurt and I did not want to be where I thought people thought that of me...... The people sometimes suck but the church is pure.

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