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but you haven't defined why police, firefighters, schools etc are different to healthcare. providing healthcare does not take away the spirit of competitiveness, if tax is on a % of income then there is always the motivation to earn more. if say someone earns $200 a week and is taxed $20, but someone who earns $2000 a week is taxed $1820 so that everyone has $180 a week to spend, then I certainly wouldn't agree with that as that will remove competitiveness and motivation for ingenuity from the system. healthcare I beleive is a basic human right, not a privelige like worldly possessions, if there was a plasma tv tax which gave all the poor people plasma tvs then I would certainly be very outraged. but this is very basic and people cannot build wealth with public healthcare, if you're sick you're sick, its not like you walk out of the hospital with $5000 to spend.

I really think the interpretation of wealth transfer is the other way around, taking money/property away from one or many people for the benefit of the elite. I don't think that refers to a fair tax system that is for the benefit of everyone, if you fall ill you will benefit, such as if you use the roads you benefit. So are you saying that people that do not use roads should not pay taxes for their maitenence, that their wealth is being transferred to those who drive or purchase things that are transported, or that people who don't have children shouldn't pay taxes for public schools. People that stay indoors and play video games shouldn't have to pay taxes for parks and public spaces? EVERYBODY gets sick and thus EVERYBODY benefits, so please explain to me how a public healthcare system is any different to those other tax-driven services? But if you think that you don't need firefighters because your house is not on fire, then go ahead.

kinda long? reckon you could bold the main points, i can't read that at work... plus i'm going out visiting lessactives/inactives tonight so i wont have the time to read it.

freedom has nothing to do with healthcare or taxes. by your rational all taxes are an abomination, unfortunately society cannot function on any large scale without tax. without taxes there is no millitary without millitary your land cannot be fortified like foretold in nephi, without health the nation loses strength also. Freedom is democracy, not the policies that that democracy impliments.

I have a democratic socialist political outlook. I beleive in welfare (with strict qualifications, government shouldn't reward lazyness), healthcare etc etc but I still believe in free enterprise just that the higher earners should be taxed more for the social benefit of the less fortunate. The division of the rich and the poor is appauling, there are people out there working two jobs but cannot afford their rent, whilst others live a life of privelege without any effort or works of their own. People should not have to live in fear of getting sick, they should not have to live in poor health, not when there is enough wealth in the world that there is no reason they need to. Its all about having charity for others, but instead everyone seems more concerned with their own material possession rather than the wellbeing of their fellow man. Us LDS don't question paying our tithing, but when we can do something that costs us far less that can benefit every poor family in the country the price is just too great. Just don't forget the democracy part, thats where the problem lays. The problem isn't with public healthcare, rather with oppression and fascism. I personally beleive an irrational fear of socialism is just remnants of cold war propaganda, glad we don't have that fear here in Aussieland. :)

I hope everything works out for you, and I offer you my prayers. This story yet again proves to me the importance of staying strong in the gospel. Do everything in your power to try to rescue your lost relationship, but don't compomise your integrity, morals and self-worth.

oh man i almost wet myself on that one!

i dunno i have many favorites.. Konata Izumi from lucky star Asuka Langley Soryu from Evangelion Haruko Haruhara from Furi Kuri Sanosuke Sagara from Kenshin Misao Machimaki from Kenshin Jiraiya from Naruto Excel from Excel Saga Haruhi Suzumiya from Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Spike from Cowboy Bebop Edward from Cowboy Bebbop Gintoki Sakata from Gintama Mugen from Samurai Champloo and oh so many more

awesome it seems to be the concensus.. its just i had other members tell me to throw out my coffee when i first joined... but im not tempted by coffee so i didnt see why i needed to. my friend had a coffee at my house and i drank water, he was comfortable and i was also. :) sorry didnt have time to reply to my thread all weekend.. but busy busy busy.. i did get 10min to myself from sat morning to sunday night :S i dont think i'd offer alcohol though.

awesome.. thats the response i was looking for :)

hi there.. just wondering, I still have coffee in my house (i have trouble throwing stuff away, but ive kept the WoW) and my family and a few of my friends are non-members.. Someone is coming past my house early in the morning and was wondering if i had coffee? Am I allowed to serve them coffee in my home or what? I'm just not sure. thanks

yeah, i cant believe i agree with everyone. im never the one to want a couple to break-up.. but sounds like he's not right for you.

LOL! I love your avatar!! That episode of South Park rawked!! :)

congratulations! It's an awesome move. As a recent convert baptised on the 27/12/08.. I can say its the best thing I've ever done, and the blessings come stronger and stronger everyday. I wish you and your fiance all the happiness in the world and the eternal happiness that only being sealed in the temple can offer. Strengthen your testimony everyday and watch the joy come into your life!!! You can see it in your face that you already know the greatness of the blessing you just received. Fantastic!! :)

That doesn't make sense... It'd be a Pent... OT, NT, BoM, PoGP and D&C makes FIVE people!!!!

I'm sure he was only trying to help...

LOL, these two are pure gold...

you forgot about the demonic drop bear... the larger more deadlier cousin of the domesticated koala. aw man, but i was planning on funding my religious trek with home invasions and robberies..

wow. you Americans sure love your guns. i'm 27yo and ive never even seen a gun besides television. or maybe the butt of the gun in an officers holster, but ive never seen out of the holster or close up. i was thinking about going to America to see the salt lake temple one day, but maybe i'll consider staying here.

stabbing a biro in my kneecap usually helps keep me awake... no need for caffeine... i dunno... try drinking lots of water... try sleeping when you need to pee.. doesn't work..

Must be, I mean everything else is perfect here and to think I get to see this place twice a week... talk about blessings

probably it grossed me out just typing it

lol.. they ask you "how was work", say "ahhhh... nothing like a good abortion" :eek: .... proceed to hand them glasses of tomato joose... ewwwww

I was told that Iced Coffee was against the WoW?? I'm only new in the Chuch but i get so many mixed messages... Do Mexican insanity peppers actually do that? I thought it was a Simpsons joke

make sure you tell me how blue it is :D i'll be waiting