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Nothing in the original document has given me any indication that the parents were negligent or absent. The Father showed up to the court. On the flip side there seems to be lots of holes on the part of the medical and legal portion. The Doctor couldn't even be bothered to come into court? Was only available by phone... And the statement that the tumor has returned right back to where it was before the first treatment. Like you can see a significant effect after one single treatment... I assure you that the turmor was not pushing on the IV catheter.

I assume that this family has been informed of their options concerning the medical treatment. If not the treating physician did a horrible job and probably has a lousy bedside manner. In my opinion this physicain sucks, he should have been able to explain the importance of the procedure. If the family was absolutely nuts then the next step is taking the issue to a medical ethics board. Not the press. Having this issue get to front page material is out of control. 100 years ago this would not have been an issue because we just recently learned about this disease and how to treat it. It is true that this form of cancer is highly treatable with 90% cure rate in his age group, but that means that there is a 10% rate of no improvement. The pain that he is experiencing is not from the tumor, its from the intravenous line that was placed to assist in the cemotherapy treatments. People have a right to determine their own destiny.

So? There might be an end to this charade? After 35 pages?

That source is the best free copy of the original document. It comes from the McIntire Minute Book that was transcribed during Joseph Smith's speech. The spelling format and punctuation is off because correcting the "errors" could actually confuse the original intent of the author. The Parallel Joseph Is by far the best source that we have of Joseph Smith's spoken words. I seriously doubt that it will take 9 months. Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Based upon this alone I would assume that spirt childbirth is much more simple than mortal childbirth. You figure that a normal male sperm count is 20 million per millimeter, why can't a celestial female produce a much more numerous amount of eggs? But she is definitely our spirit mother... John Taylor — A “hymn written also for the dedication by John Taylor eulogized Joseph Smith in these words: Of noble seed–of heavenly birth” (The Development of the Doctrine of Preexistence, 1830-1844 by Charles R. Harrell Fn, BYU Studies, vol. 28 (1988), Number 2 - Spring 1988 89.) Lorenzo Snow — We were born in the image of God our Father; He begot us like unto Himself. There is the nature of deity in the composition of our spiritual organization; in our spiritual birth our Father transmitted to us the capabilities, powers and faculties which He Himself possessed-as much so as the child on its mother’s bosom possesses, although in an undeveloped state, the faculties, powers, and susceptibilities of its parent. (14 January 1872, JD, 14:302.) Joseph F. Smith - In a statement of the First Presidency: “man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father,” George Albert Smith - “Children are the offspring of God, their spirits were begotten in the holy heavens of our Father, and they are given to us for our blessing.” (Conference Reports, October 1907, p. 36.) Joseph Fielding Smith - “If we are his offspring, then how did we become such, if we had no mother to give us spirit birth?” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 3: 143.) Harold B. Lee - “That great hymn “O My Father” puts it correctly when Eliza R. Snow wrote, “In the heav’ns are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason; truth eternal tells me I’ve a mother there.” Born of a Heavenly Mother, sired by a Heavenly Father, we knew Him, we were in His house” (Harold B. Lee, The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, edited by Clyde J. Williams [salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1996], 22.) Spencer W. Kimball - “You [women] are daughters of God. You are precious. You are made in the image of our heavenly Mother.” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, edited by Edward L. Kimball [salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], 25.) Ezra Taft Benson - “It is a fundamental of our religion that we had a pre-earthly existence. That we are the literal offspring of God has been a cardinal teaching of the Lord’s prophets in all ages.” (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 23 - 24.) Howard W. Hunter - “The brotherhood of man is literal. We are all of one blood and the literal spirit offspring of our eternal Heavenly Father.” (Howard W. Hunter, The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, edited by Clyde J. Williams [salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1997], 10.) Gordon B. Hinkley - In a statement of the First Presidency “The Family”: “Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny.”

I love how McConkie defines Knowledge vs. Intelligence Satan is very knowledgeable, but he has no intelligence.

I'll live. I still hope the best for you. AIS is probably the best example of a physical disorder that causes gender confusion. But there are other disorders Ambiguous Genitalia Curiously I made another post today concerning sex assignment by God. I am unsure about when gender is determined but am leaning to the idea that when we made the transition from "intelligence" to spirits that we were gendered at that time. Joseph Smith, Sermon delivered at Nauvoo, Ill. on Sunday, March 28, 1841 Source: McIntire Minute Book Spirit of Man Eternal - Meaning of Abr. 3:22 he says the spirit or the intelligence of men are self Existent principles he before the foundation this Earth--& quotes the Lords question to Job "where wast thou when I laid the foundation of the Earth" Evidence that Job was in Existing somewhere at that time he says God is Good & all his acts is for the benifit of infereir intelligences-- God saw that those inteligences had Not power to Defend themselves against those that had a tabernicle therefore the Lord Calls them togather in Counsel & agrees to form them tabernicles so that he might Gender the Spirit & the tabernicle togather so as to create sympathy for their fellowman-- Bottom line is I don't know. I dislike the idea that God can make a mistake like putting a female spirit into a male body. But Feminine Testicularization makes a great argument of God putting a male spirit into a female body...

I hope that I can help. I don't want to give you the feeling that I am cold and uncaring but I thought that this was the most interesting genetic syndrome while studying medicine. I learned the syndrome as Feminine Testicularization. And the most famous assumed patient of this syndrome is Jamie Lee Curtis. Do you still have your testicles? Most of the people that have the syndrome have them removed because of the possibility of testicular cancer. There is no negative feedback loop and the testicles continue to pump out testosterone which is then converted to Estrogen. You are not female. You have the outward appearance of a female (phenotype), but you are genotypically male. You do not have a uterus. You have an empty vault and do not have ovaries. Thus you cannot produce an ovum. You cannot carry a fetus. I would love to hear your story in detail. Your life is a perfect example of a case that would totally discredit Gender Identity Disorder. Because you ARE NOT female although you are probably prettier than most other girls you know. I hope for the best for you. God gives everyone a trial and you got a doozie. Did you get a patriarichal blessing? And if you did, did the patriarch give you a feminine blessing? If he did, I would ask for a new blessing ASAP! My heart goes out to you. I would be more than willing to help you in anyway I can. Sincerely, Mike Mikulecky M.D.

Howdy, And thanks for askin! Dictornary.com 1. a class of individuals having some common characteristics or qualities; distinct sort or kind. 2. Biology. the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species. If the assumption that I made in the original post has merit, then: All forms of life that we now percieve on Earth; plants, bacteria, animals, humans, etc. were spirit versions of what they were before becoming mortal. And the decisions that they made while they were "intelligences" had a bearing on the determination of the species of spirit that they would become. For example my pet dog is a dog because when she was an "intelligence" she decided that she wanted to be a female dog and chose a pathway that would lead to that species. If you compare my life to Jesus' life. You might come to the conclusion that the gap between He and I is as great as the Gap between me and a chimp.

My first mission president was inactive. I wasn't impressed. Welcome aboard!

I hope this dosen't turn into a garage vs. kitchen debate.

Yes! And welcome.

Joseph Smith, Sermon delivered at Nauvoo, Ill. on Sunday, March 28, 1841 Source: McIntire Minute Book Spirit of Man Eternal - Meaning of Abr. 3:22 he says the spirit or the intelligence of men are self Existent principles he before the foundation this Earth--& quotes the Lords question to Job "where wast thou when I laid the foundation of the Earth" Evidence that Job was in Existing somewhere at that time he says God is Good & all his acts is for the benifit of infereir intelligences-- God saw that those inteligences had Not power to Defend themselves against those that had a tabernicle therefore the Lord Calls them togather in Counsel & agrees to form them tabernicles so that he might Gender the Spirit & the tabernicle togather so as to create sympathy for their fellowman--

Well, without Heavenly Mother there is no Jehovah...

The tripartite model suggests that the soul of man moves through different stages of existence. Intelligence → Spirit → Physical Body The intelligence part is described in D&C 93:29-30 as an eternal entity that is neither created nor made. Heavenly Father and Mother then were able to use these intelligences and convert them in to spirit children. Through procreation, our mortal parents unite with the power of God to place the spirit of man into mortal tabernacles. This is a very rough outline, please make comments, suggestions, corrections where appropriate. -------------------- Anyway, where in the model of progression do you think species/sex determination takes place? I have always thought that our trials and decisions as an intelligence determined the species and sex that we would be assigned to during our spiritual creation. -------------------- Finally, are we of the same species as Jehovah and Elohim?

D&C 93: 45-46 This scripture makes me want to be a better servant of the Lord. Sure would be nice to have your Judge be your friend.

McConkie has a entry in Mormon Doctirine under the title "LOTS"

I have 2 favorites Job Joseph Smith D&C 121 & 122

Thats kinda the crux of the Widtsoe/Skousen model. The lessor intelligences Honor God because he is honorable. If for some reason God became dishonorable, he would lose the honor and respect of these lesser intelligences and would cease to be God.

I have ascribed to Skousen's model of the Atonement ever since I read Appendix B in his book The First 2,000 Years back in the 80's. I was wondering how many members here are aware of Skousen's intrepretation. And of those who are aware of his intrepretation, who likes it and dislikes it. And if you do like it, is your intrepretation of Skousen's intrepretation the same as mine? Found a copy of it on the net, thanks Google! Why Was the Atonement Necessary Here is also a speech that he gave on the same topic. It was an address to the missionaries in the Dallas Texas Mission back in 1980. A Personal Search for the Meaning of the Atonement We should really call it the Widtsoe/Skousen Model though. Now that I reviewed the above speech.

Re-introduce him to the Great USA! Take him out to eat real american food. See a movie. More than likely he is gonna need a new wardrobe also. My father made me burn all the clothes that I though were "nice" that I brought home from my mission in Chile.

I haven't been following this thread very closely and was wondering if we have made any progress?

I agree with Ogre. My family and my in-laws live in Texas. We live in California and love it here.

Heavenly Father is our God. He presented us with the opportunity to progress by receiving a body and provided a Savior (Jesus Christ) for us. In our pre-existence we made a covenant with Heavenly Father to follow His Plan of Salvation. Is Heavenly Mother important? Yes! Do we worship her? No. Do we Honor her? Yes. Here is another thought. It applies directly to the debate but removes the femenist movement from the discussion. Do we have a Heavenly Grandfather, Great Grandfather? If we do, why don't we mention them? Why don't we worship them? Joseph Smith, 16 June 1844 (Sunday Morning). Grove East of Temple. Thomas Bullock Report I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the God of heaven. “In order to do that,” said he, “suppose we have two facts: that supposes another fact may exist-two men on the earth, one wiser than the other, would logically show that another who is wiser than the wisest may exist. Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.” If Abraham reasoned thus-If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. Joseph Smith mentioned them. We don't worship our Heavenly Grandparents because we did not make a covenant with them in the pre-existence.

Everyone has their own trial of faith. You have been confused before, as have many. Thanks for sharing your history. Your past helps us to understand your perspective and reluctance to trust. This is understandable. To answer your question above, I would say that God is showing you the truth now. You are on its doorstep but are hesitant to take a step inside because of prior experience. The Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is True. The Book of Mormon is the Word of God. Joseph Smith was the first prophet of the Lord in Modern Times. Thomas S. Monson is the current mouthpiece of the Lord. Open your heart. Read the Book of Mormon. Seek out the words of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Strip yourself of jealousy, fear, and humble yourself before the Lord. If you do, you will gain your reward. Christ does not want you to be his fool. He desires you to be his son. Claim your birthright.

Hymn 292 Oh my father - "In the heav'ns are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason, truth eternal Tells me I've a mother there. Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them. Elohim - Elohim (אֱלוֹהִים , אלהים, sometimes transliterated as Aleim[1]) is a Hebrew word which expresses concepts of divinity. It is apparently related to the Hebrew word ēl, though morphologically it consists of the Hebrew word Eloah (אלוה) with a plural suffix.