mikbone

I do not wish to get into a contentious argument with you. I respect your beliefs. I agree with you that Jehovah (pre-mortal Christ) was full of mercy, truth, and knowledge. Yet his atonement changed him in a way that we may never understand. His love for us increased significantly. The act in the Garden of Gethsemane and upon the cross likely not only left physical scars upon his body but also significant spiritual changes. I know that these doctrines are not commonly discussed, nor easily found within scripture. But Joseph Smith in my mind believes as much. He loves you more than you can know.

I respectfully disagree. When talking about God, one has to differentiate between God the Father, Jehovah / Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Jehovah did learn and grow during his mortal ministry. The atonement changed him. If you are arguing that Elohim is Perfect and un-changeable I could agree with you.

Patriarchal blessings, Fordination, Children 1 Cor 10:13 1 Ne 3:7 All of the above convince me that God has singular intention in all of our lives.

I have hated peeps till this year. We made Peep S'mores and they were Amazing. I mean who doesn't like roasted marshmallows? And with a caramelized candied rind... With Chocolate!?!

Anyone else have difficulties watching conference at their Stake Center? We sang hymns for 30-40 minutes, then watched the rest of the steaming content with multiple interruptions. I'm wondering if this is a common occurrence or if we just need a new computer / AV guy.

God in the OT is Jehovah (pre-mortal, unembodied spirit) God in the NT is the Mortal Jesus Christ (mostly, in the Gospels) God in the BoM & D&C are written from the viewpoint of a Resurrected perfect Jesus Chist. (Nephi writes as if He realizes that the success of Jesus's life/atonement is foreordained.) It is a vast difference in the perspective in the mind of God. Mortal life and the Atonement had a significant effect upon the personality of our Savior.

How many times have you been in church and a teacher ask for a volunteer for an opening or closing prayer and experienced an uncomfortable silence. Happens all the time for me. Have any groups complained that the spouses of general authorities are not allowed to sit on the stand with them at general conference?

They won? They probably need to go re-read the rules of the game. If 'they' don't change their game plan they are probably gonna lose big.

The Church is still true. Boyd K. Packer sets the tone for conference. Sister Elaine Dalton gave a wonderful talk. Very nicely on point. M Russell Ballard was succinct It appears that the line up was inspired.

Official Declaration 2 He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.

Article appearing in Times and Seasons 3 (1 April 1842):743 See 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

What would happen if women got the priesthood? Elders quorum lessons would probably be a bit better prepared. We would probably have to sing more than one verse of each song though... Or, Maybe we could go to a 2 hour meeting block! We could also get rid of YW/YM. Go ahead and revoke The Family: a proclamation to the world. Heck, Elders and Sisters could be mission companions. This is gonna be great for the church!!!!

D&C 109:77 O Lord God Almighty, hear us in these our petitions, and answer us from heaven, thy holy habitation, where thou sittest enthroned, with glory, honor, power, majesty, might, dominion, truth, justice, judgment, mercy, and an infinity of fulness, from everlasting to everlasting.

Think of what goes hand in hand with pornography. LMJH - I would trust your feelings. You could confront him about the issue directly and demand that you put some kind of network nanny on the computer and have him give up his smart phone. He will most likely refuse. You can argue that since He started his habit at such an early age that you are concerned about your children following in his footsteps. Check out: Internet filtering (Family Safety) - LDSTech) Or you could live with his dirty habit. Or you could seek local council. I think you should talk to your Bishop.

It could have been Elohim, but I doubt it. Ever since the fall the Father has manifested himself rarely. And the only thing He does is present the Son. 1) Baptism of Christ - This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:17 2) Mount of transfiguration - This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Matthew 17:5 3) Visitation of the Nephites - Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him 3 Ne 11:7 4) First Vision - This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! JSH 1:17 In all other visitations where it appears that the Father is speaking directly to a prophet, I kinda think that it is Jehovah speaking as if He is the Father. I can see no reason why anyone would need to have a direct discussion with the Father when Jehovah is available. I also feel that Jehovah wanted to give a blessing of comfort to Adam for his job well done despite the hardships that he had to overcome. I also think that Adam / Michael was the Angel that comforted Jesus Christ in the garden of gethsemane during the atonement. These two men, Jehovah and Adam have a special relationship in my opinion. I agree that this event in D&C 107 is after the order of the temple. Instructions delivered sometime in July 1839 by Joseph Smith Jr. Source: Willard Richards Pocket Companion (probably copied in part from notes of John Taylor) It makes sense to me that Jehovah gave the keys to Adam and his posterity and that these keys will again be gathered and returned to Jesus Christ.

hehe, courageous.

I think that it was probably Jehovah as well. But then you have the issue of Jehovah being an unembodied spirit. Can an unembodied spirit administer a blessing to a mortal? Or are the verses stating that Jehovah witnessed the blessing on Adam? In Ether 3:6 Jehovah does touch the stones. He also inscribed the law upon the stones for Moses in Exodus 31:18. Would the other patriarchs have been able to lay their hands upon Jehovah's hands? What an awesome event this must have been. D&C 129 seems to indicate that a spirit of a just man made perfect would not try to interact physically with a mortal. I interpret a just man made perfect as a disembodied spirit, one who has past through Earth life and has yet to be resurrected. And is there a difference between a preembodied, unembodied, and disembodied spirit?

What do you think happened here? In my imagination, the Lord gives Adam a priesthood blessing with the assistance of the other patriarchs. Is the Lord here Jehovah or Elohim? I wish I was an artist.

I think that it is important to differentiate a peacemaker from a peacemonger. Peacemonger - one making or seeking peace unrealistically or at the expense of honor. Peacemakers are not pacifist.

Your original post is devoid of two concepts. God, and a testimony. If you just think of the church as a social institution, you don't owe the church anything.

Ronald Reagan is one of my favorite peacemakers. Reagan 2020 - Ronald Reagan - Address on National Security My favorite peacemaker in the scriptures - without question Captain Moroni Alma 44:10 !!!

I got a sarcastic streak in me sorry. Yes, I'm sure that they planned their coming out meeting to coincide with the General Conference Priesthood session. It just reinforces their disdain for the Church.

I wonder if this time and date were chosen specifically. I was going to RSVP then realized that I will be busy at my stake center... Rats, maybe I'll be able to catch the next event.

/facepalm perhaps she is hanging out with the wrong crowd?

I don't know if we were able to view important events on Earth while we were unembodied spirits in the pre-mortal existence. It is possible that the disembodied spirits in paradise were granted a viewing of the atonement, but we don't know for sure if this happened either. We do know that the spirits in paradise were visited by Jesus Christ during the 3 days that his body lay in the tomb though. So they did have a significant witness. The spirits in prison unfortunately were not able to see either the atonement or Christ's visit to the spirit world but they were able to receive second-hand information from the spirits in paradise after Jesus bridged the void between spirit prison and paradise. See D&C 138. The mortals that lived on Earth during Christ's Atonement were not able to witness the Atonement directly either. But there were miracles that were witnessed and Christ did visit the Nephites and other sheep as we have been informed... The original intent of this post was 2 fold. 1) Define what it means to witness the atonement. 2) Recognize that because Jehovah witnessed Elohim's atonement that Jehovah was inherently different than everyone else in our pre-mortal existence. Because it appears that you and I did not understand what was involved in the Plan of Salvation. We understood much of the Plan and we fought for our right to come to Earth and learn how to be more like God the Father. But Jehovah knew details about the Plan of Salvation that the rest of us were oblivious to. I believe that when Jehovah stepped forward and said, "Here am I, send me" that He was recognizant that He was volunteering to live a perfect life and suffer the Atonement. Jehovah understood in theory and from an observational or empathic viewpoint what was to be required of him. We did not understand the specifics at all. And we still don't understand. We will be able to gain a more in depth understanding of the Atonement with the ordinance of receiving ones Calling and Election. But unfortunately, there is only one way to have a perfect understand of what happened in Both Gethsemane and on the Cross. And as far as I know only Elohim and Jehovah have that perfect knowledge. See D&C 19: 15-20 wherein Christ repeats "ye know not" over and over.