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And why is there not enough men?

Never thought of this before but if this be the case then with polygamy in effect in the next life and with some men having who know's how many wives to himself that's going to leave some men without any! JK

Yes I agree with you. I see I quoted the wrong person, Sorry. - I was commenting on the YW who may feel insecure and thus feels the way she does and makes that statement. Or she may feel insecure about herself and her roll and calling in life. In time this hopefully will change. She may not be making this statement because she wants women to have the priesthood.

Excellent thought! This is my view as well. Recognize God's power/love/MERCY/ for the sinner. We as mortals are proud and conger up in our minds grand allusions about ourselves. Are we going to get upon our rameumptoms and express our grandness? True it's well to know our potential but we have so much potential in love and mercy now! After all the pains we take to be upright, He tells us that "joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, who need no repentance." (Luke 15:7.) We can become like God, one perfected precept at a time.

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I have noticed it seems to be the younger women who do not yet feel secure. It kind of bothered my wife 30 years ago when we were first married. But now she has totally changed her thinking on it and now jokingly says: "Go ahead take as many of us as you think you can handle. The more you take on the less I will have to do. And don't come crying back to me when they all have PMS at the same time." LOL The point being she now feels secure in our marriage, with her whole and calling as Matriarch. Plus one of us men is enough for her.

I did not say it was true, nor that I believed it. I asked a question.

I have no quotes, just my own wonderings. I did not hear it or read it anywhere. Do you have any that say otherwise to help clarify this for me?

Isn't it true that one reason why men can be sealed to more then one women is because during the millennium there's going many more righteous women who need the priesthood blessings of the sealing ordinance and it would be unfair for women to hog up the righteous men leaving no one for some sisters?

I bet it's a boundary change or a member of the stake presidency is being replaced.

I think there is some validity to this. It is ironic that we often feel that the suffering that comes to sinners as a result of their sin is "fair," that it is less deserving of pity than the suffering of innocents. "Well," we say, watching the news in appalled fascination as an exposed addict's face contorts with shame and anguish, "he brought it on himself." We almost celebrate the addict's humiliation, comforting ourselves with the notion that he is nothing like us nor anyone we care for. Sometimes we think with pity about the wicked one's poor parents, or spouse, or children—but the sinner himself? He deserves whatever he gets, we comment to each other. And those who secretly know that they have committed the same actions and deserve the same punishment nod in agreement, hating themselves more than ever. How strange it is that the Lord views sinners so differently from the way we view them. At times, He almost seems to downplay the suffering of righteous people by comparison. While it seems that He might concentrate harder on preserving the innocent from all the trials and inconveniences of life, the Lord incongruously spends almost all His time worrying about the guilty. Instead of concentrating all His approval on those who resist temptation, the Good Shepherd takes time to "leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it." (Luke 15:4.) During His ministry on earth, Jesus spent a good deal of His time with the wicked, forgiving their sins and incurring the wrath of the law-abiding Pharisees. After all the pains we take to be upright, He tells us that "joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, who need no repentance." (Luke 15:7.) That is partly what Gethsemane was for, to let the Savior understand through His own experience what we suffer when we sin. And even He, who walked calmly through persecution and to death, pleaded with His Father that that particular cup might be taken from Him. Christ has felt every depth of horror, every shock of realization, every hopeless yearning that a deed could be undone that all of us combined will ever feel. And so He knows that the pains of the righteous, however unbearable they may seem, are trivial compared to the pains of the guilty. He and His prophets, like Alma, are filled "with great anxiety even unto pain" that we avoid such anguish if at all possible. (Alma 13:27.) The Lord and His servants urge all people to repentance, not because they do not understand how hard it is to repent, but because they do understand what hell and depth of pains the sinners life is like. We like the father in the prodigal son must learn this kind of love, understanding, compassion. And "as God is man may become" takes on a whole new view and meaning.

- Ensign » 2007 » October They Marked the Path to Follow By President Thomas S. MonsonI guess the key questions here is the word "speaks". Is that when the Prophet says "thus saith the Lord God" or when he says "you would be advised". Great quote none the less.

I have often thought that Ammon was a real humble servant, why? To me he is one of the greatest persons in the scriptures. What he did here in these verses was so mighty and made such an impact that it really sock the king to the core. Mighty, might servant. All the great things he did by faith. Amazing.

If I understand what you are saying here mikbone is that when it says: Matthew 3:16 "God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" D&C 93:15 "and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him" the writers knew the "sign" of the HG and the HG was standing in that position giving that "sign" at Christ's baptism? If this is the case then the writers knew that the readers who knew the "mysteries of heaven" would know what the writer was really saying? Am I reading to much into this whole thing? Points of pondering on my part of course.

Love it! As we know ppl in the dark ages were willing to be tortured unto death in order to get their hands on a bible and try to read it because many couldn't even read. Now look at us..... seems we have it all. Is that the problem? We don't know what we have do we. And if we do we take it for granted most of the time. --------------------------- 1Ne 17:41 "And he did straiten them in the wilderness with his rod; for they hardened their hearts, even as ye have; and the Lord straitened them because of their iniquity. He sent fiery flying serpents among them; and after they were bitten he prepared a way that they might be healed; and the labor which they had to perform was to look; and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished." Alma 37:46 "O my son, do not let us be slothful because of the easiness of the way; for so was it with our fathers; for so was it prepared for them, that if they would look they might elive; even so it is with us. The way is prepared, and if we will look we may live forever." Helaman 6:34 "And thus we see that the Nephites did begin to dwindle in unbelief, and grow in wickedness and abominations, while the Lamanites began to grow exceedingly in the knowledge of their God; yea, they did begin to keep his statutes and commandments, and to walk in truth and uprightness before him. 35 And thus we see that the Spirit of the Lord began to withdraw from the Nephites, because of the wickedness and the hardness of their hearts. 36 And thus we see that the Lord began to pour out his Spirit upon the Lamanites, because of their easiness and willingness to believe in his words."

Not really part of this thread but does anyone know what the "tree" or "candle stick" looking symbol is at G-d's feet? (Same Facsimile from the Book of Abraham No. 2, Figure 7).

I feel stupid right now. I did not know any of this or if I did I can't recall it. From the facsimile: Thanks!!!

"Well according to this book I'm not muddying the water here. And yes she is not an apostle so it's just her take on it but still a BYU professor. I think a big reason ppl get into compulsive cycles is because they miss home. They miss HF and being there with him. They feel lost. So they try and substitute the loneliness with something else that only brings momentary joy a sort of close but counterfeit joy they once felt. Quote: I really hit rock bottom one day when I was sitting in a gay bar and I ordered a soft drink, because of course I never broke the Word of Wisdom. Can you imagine that? There I was, all geared up to commit the sin next to murder, and I was being all careful not to break the Word of Wisdom! I was standing between the "good room" and the "bad room," and I just couldn't believe the contrast. It just seemed so absurd, so ridiculous, and so disgusting. I knew the Church was true, I loved the Lord with all my heart, and here I was sitting in this horrible place where He could never, ever, reach me. And the terrible thing was that I knew—I knew—that even if I left right then I'd be back sometime in the very near future. I was totally out of control. If I had not had a testimony, that is the first time I think I might have just ended it all. As it was, nothing made sense to me. Not anything. It was the most terrible feeling in the world, and I wanted to just vanish altogether—good room, bad room, and all. In considering actions of self-indulgence, as well as the other steps of the addictive cycle, the common elements in the stories of Ellen (eating disorder), Bill (drugs), and Warren (homosexuality) are striking and important. Despite the apparent differences in these people's lives and personalities, and despite the dissimilarity of their actual addictive behaviors, all three stories fit a common pattern. Each of these actions of self-indulgence could be interpreted as a kind of demonic counterfeit for some aspect of life that is good, wholesome, and ultimately a contributor to the joy for which we are designed: Ellen mentions her preoccupation with the process of nourishment, Bill sees drugs as a substitute for the normal physical alternation of relaxation and alertness, and Warren describes his homosexual behaviors as a misguided search for friendship and romantic love. All three of these people fell into the trap of mistaking an activity that blocks pain with an activity that brings joy and, therefore, of placing that activity at the center of their lives."

Ok so that is why so much more talk about it. That is why so many books about it. Makes sense. What about those who have a tendency to like the same sex? The book uses this as an example. It says the subject in the example is compulsive and addicted as well. Talks about how this person even as a child was attracted to the same sex. You can not say this child was bathed in it as you are saying about other addictions. Everywhere and cheap. There has to be more to it than just that.

I am confused to what leads to the other. Addictions seems to me to cause one to compulsively do things as if they are being controlled by another. They can not control the action. At least that is what the book says (I think)? On the other hand doing things out of compulsiveness leads one to become addicted. Now they are saying that those addicted to porn have a chemical addiction as well. However as anatess has stated the brain can at least deal with not receiving the chemical anymore without dieing. As far as producing the right chemicals to help with depression and the like that's seems to me to be different than being addicted to chemicals. I do think that is possible as well.

I'm not sure really. I ran across this book "Breaking the Cycle of Compulsive Behavior - By Martha Nibley Beck, John C. Beck" on gospelink that seems to address addictions but talks allot about compulsiveness so I'm confused? Talks about different kinds of addictions and how they can't stop the compulsiveness that seems to over. I don't know I'm confused, I guess I just don't get it. LOL If they are different what's the differences?

What is it about us and compulsive tendencies? Why can some ppl control themselves with no problems while others seem to be helplessly caught in a compulsive cycle? To me the scriptures make this seem so black and white, is it? Addictions use to be classified as “addictive substances, alcohol, LSD, etc.” Now it’s not so simple. But when one reads the scriptures it seems cut and dry. Alma 39:9 Now my son, I would that ye should repent and forsake your sins, and go no more after the lusts of your eyes, but cross yourself in all these things; for except ye do this ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. Oh, remember, and take it upon you, and cross yourself in these things. What has changed in the world? Or has anything really changed? Any takes on this confusing subject??

So "taking upon us the name of Christ" and "keeping the commandments" includes what Alma is saying? If this be the case then could it be said what we covenant to do in the temple is really encompassed in baptismal covenants as well? And the temple obligations are formalities in order to introduce additional benedictions and maledictions that are not included in the baptismal covenants? Could it be looked at in this light??????

Are you a Bishop?

ram, Please expound.