Suzie

I don't think it was poor wording. I read it more like both actions took place simultaneously? He was a member, a disciplinary action took place, was excommunicated and by default (since he was not longer a member), automatically released.

I knew it. You sound like those who eat bran cereal with no added sugar.

If the person is committing a grievous criminal act such as abuse I would contact the police immediately and the local Church authorities. In that order.

You shouldn't! I am all for Animals rights but let's not be ridiculous...

I have a similar experience but in my case, it was a stalker with special needs...in Church. It went on for years, he found out my phone number and sent me inappropriate messages. He posted my full name online (everywhere) and the full names of my family members along with my home address saying how nice I am or things like "Suzie always goes to X store" etc, he did this for years. We contacted his mother and she said there is nothing she can do because he doesn't listen to her and she works all day. Going to Church was hard. He would stand outside RS and wait for me or follow me around, every Sunday.... I was torn, I completely understood his special needs (because I am a parent of special needs children myself) but part of me felt also unsafe.. In my view, regardless of what special needs this boy has, it is the parent's responsibility as well as administration to ensure the safety of ALL students.

Before I answer that...When you met her, she was already dating someone?

I won't call it a punishment at all, but hope you saw it coming? The thing is...when someone knows you for acting in a certain way in X situation, etc and you have been (to your own admission) a people pleaser for a very long time (perhaps your whole life?) and you gradually or suddenly change, people WILL get upset. That's just how it is. We ALL change as we get older. It will take a while for people to get it, I say don't sweat it.

Well, in my view doesn't sound then that you are madly in love with her as stated in your OP. Just my opinion.

Okay..this is my serious take (thinking what I would do if I was in that situation, using some logic here and natural human reaction) If I like Mike but I'm dating Jason (unless Mike specifically asks me if I am dating someone) there is no way on earth that I will tell him that I'm dating someone, let alone talk with him about the possibility of me getting married to this guy, etc. I wouldn't want Mike to look elsewhere.

I don't understand women. Really. Even though it is true and I agree with @Just_A_Guy that a girl might not travel out of state just for a "friend" etc, I'm quite sure that even if she gave those "hints" that she might be interested, if approached about it, I wouldn't be surprised if she says something along the lines..."Oh no, I didn't mean it that way. I like you just like a friend, I'm sorry".

In a nutshell...lol

Hi there, I am vegan. If you have any questions, etc please feel free to PM.

I think this quote needs to be here again. It is clear as water:

Please don't feel attacked. Shh....people don't seem to want to accept it but... Mormonism is super feminist. Here is a wonderful quote of Elder L. Tom Perry which I think illustrates what we have been saying:

Well, in the video a Church leader after she was told to sit down, got up and mentioned that we are all children of God, etc which is fine but the damage was already done.

I wasn't concerned at the members hearing this (just turn on the TV) but more concerned at the fact that she is only 12 and she is vulnerable (no matter what she says or does). She is just a child. You know how liberal I am in my thinking... and to be honest....if I was her mother, I would have discourage her from doing it. Not because I think being gay is "wrong" or because the Church is the wrong forum for such speech but because you don't have to be Stephen Hawking to know the kind of reaction it would generate if she does that. And who wants to see their own kid getting hurt? Do you wanna shake-up the status quo? Sure, no issue with me at all... but don't do that to your own kid....

Yes, I read it was hypothetical but I still don't understand how you came up with such assumption. I just don't see it, I'm seriously asking.

How did you reach the conclusion/assumption that the mother has lesbian issues and is probably a self-denying lesbian?

I am not sure how I feel about the whole thing. The Bishop (or whomever talked to the girl) looked annoyed. People say that censuring her was the right thing to do because her speech had nothing to do with a testimony. However, let's admit it. Testimony meetings come straight from the twilight zone, no kidding.The following are just some things I heard during testimony meetings in all my years as a member of the Church: 1. A member saying that missionaries offered him money to have sex with him. 2. A 10 minute testimony about why we should avoid shopping at Walmart. 3. The evils of sugar. 4. If you talk bad about Trump, then you are talking bad about the Lord's anointed.

Like build an igloo? Ok,...ok.. It's the Sabbath....I will behave.

Talking from experience?

I said having a car in some places is a luxury, hence my comment. These people cannot even conceive the notion of two vehicles. Yes, I agree it is rarely the case in the United States and that's why my comment of talking from a position of privilege. I travel quite a lot and have lived in many countries. This issue of stay-home mothers isn't emphasize as much during Church meetings. I suppose it is because reality rears its ugly head and let's face it, it will practically be a slap on their face for a couple who work for pennies in order to provide.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I would like to add another aspect to the topic and how is being discussed (generally speaking). It is done from a position of privilege. Yes, people can take to heart the word privilege but having a car in some places is a luxury (no matter how old) . We are really out of touch with reality if we think about "sacrificing" this way. Sacrificing in some instances do mean having both parents working and not to afford the latest car model but putting normal food at the table.

I am of the belief that quality time is the real issue here because let's face it, you can stay at home all day and call yourself a stay-home mom or dad and yet spend your hours on social media and practically ignoring your children. Families are not cut in little boxes and processed in the same factory. But whether we work outside or stay home, I believe the issue that needs to be addressed is about the quality time we spend with our families rather than merely focus on our physical presence at home. If both parents work, what activities they do (in their little free time) to encourage family togetherness and memorable family experiences? Same applies with those staying at home.

Men generally work and they are the main providers, yet no one seems to question (generally speaking, at least not firsthand) the possibility of them neglecting their families in other areas (because well, providing it is just one of many aspects). But when women work outside the home, one of the first things they hear often is that they will be neglecting their families.