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Fair enough about the date. That's true. :) I hope this issue (like any other LDS controversial one) can one day be discussed openly and we can once and for all stop picking and choosing like we do with the Journal of Discourses (you know, we quote when it supports strongly present LDS doctrine but we say it is opinion when the statements given are very controversial ). I am not saying you are doing that eh. I am speaking in general terms. Thank you so much for pointing that out (date). :)

I wouldn't say so. If the woman has a medical condition and knew about it beforehand then it's possible. Women with vaginismus have problems using tampons and she may visit a doctor for this problem (the pain is overbearing for what I heard) and she may be diagnosed with this issue.

Decided? I hope you are not. All the best.

Probably not. The reason I say probably is because I grew up in the Church so my husband was my "first and only". Having experience now what sex is, I know I couldn't however back then when I didn't experience sex, probably my decision would have been different, I don't know. Our bodies change once you experience sex (your body craves for it) so maybe for some people who never experienced sex isn't a big deal.

Are you married or have you been married before?

Yes, I read the same thing the other day. I think it may be easy for us to judge but we really don't know if this lady may have some serious health issues.

I was thinking more about the possibility of her been sexually abused as a child and the husband doesn't know about it.

Darius Gray mentions in one of his videos that the words "dark" skin don't refer to actual skin color but in a spiritual sense however and personally, even though I like Darius a lot I just don't see that interpretation.

The mark of Cain was dark skin? Where does it say that?

I was going to reply quite harshly to wake you up a little and tell you to get over it but anatess did it first. But I have to say.... I find the whole thing absolutely ridiculous really specially coming from big men who happen to be Priesthood holders. Church isn't a social club. Crying? Are you serious? If I tell you half of the challenges the brothers and sisters of my ward are having right now, I am pretty sure all of us will be crying. My goodness, there are people out there with BIG challenges who need our help! So what if you was in that ward for 27 years? Did you join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or did you join the Church of *name of your ward here*? Time to get over it and see the bigger picture here and stop the whining and feeling sorry for yourself. You have probably so much experience and insight to share to the members of the new ward and you can become such a BLESSING in their lives. I know you can! Your wife needs to do the same and stop worrying about who offended her and get her act together and go to the new ward! And if she doesn't want to do it, I assure that if you choose to go without her, she will choose to follow along after a while. I have no doubts about it. Enough of this nonsense, now give me a hug and I expect you in Church next Sunday!

This quote of Joseph F. Smith (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 203-204) comes to my mind: So in my opinion, we should measure that particular statement (and any other) with the Scriptures and of course prayer (to receive confirmation). It worries me when people don't do that and they just follow without confirmation.

Well, doesn't the Church teaches that as organization/body IS indeed perfect and we have the Truth? (With capital T) then how can be there mistakes in doctrine? (key word here is doctrine and no merely policies) How can we feel comfortable about it if that's case? The Church is either True or it's not...If the Church as an organization is not perfect then what makes us different from any other Church who have some of the Truth? I agree with what you are saying, I am just trying to link that into what we are taught and how the whole thing mix into the equation. Interesting points mormomusic.

Really? It seems like a pretty good debate to me.

Well, I did say in my OP: I don't want the thread to become one of those comments we hear of "My third cousin's friend told him and his aunt that a GA said..." Actually, the fact that they don't pray in Conference isn't really into questioning. I'm just looking for an official reason/statement. Apparently, I won't find it here however I appreciate each one of the replies. :)

The way I see is that I think we should see them with more compassion and I do find your position quite harsh because you don't seem to want to give the person a chance. Tell me, how would you feel if when you meet back the Savior, he looks at your eyes and says "I'm sorry, you have committed some sins that I don't think I could trust you ever again". I am pretty sure it will hurt beyond anything you could comprehend. But you tell him He can trust you because you repented and you will never commit that mistake again however, no matter what you say or do...He still thinking he cannot trust you again. You are basically DOOMED. And that's pretty much the way I think you see these people and it truly saddens me (and no, I am not trying to put you down). The Lord has blessed me with the necessary strength that I never experienced sin in a major way yet (who knows what the future may bring) however, my heart aches for those who do.

I don't look down upon you at all. Actually, I appreciate your input. I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that there are things that you lose and cannot regain back when a major sin is committed HOWEVER, doesn't mean that we have to see them as "eternal sinners" because they committed a mistake.

My point wasn't about the party or the inheritance but the love and compassion his father had, like Heavenly Father has for each one of us and the lack of understanding on the brother's part. "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow" (Isaiah 1:18). That's what happens when we truly repent, in your view it seems like you will always see the person "tainted" no matter what they do. That's quite sad.

It sounds like the brother of the prodigal son who is angry at the fact that his father is welcoming the repentant son back. In his mind, he was better than his brother because he worked very hard during all those years and never wasted his life like his brother did YET, the father knew the prodigal son's heart and forgave him. Let's not forget that the father represents Heavenly Father and the prodigal son is each one of us.

And who is that besides Christ?

Yup There are many different types of pride: Ego-centric, ethno-centric, anthro-centric, etc. Levels?

Thanks, by culture you mean tradition or the fact that sisters (through the years) took so long to do things men always did in the Church? (and is just hard to give up that old school of thought?)

Thanks Maureen, I checked the quote before the edit and I also saw the official source for that quote some time ago. Even though it confirms women could pray in all Church meetings, it didn't materialize as yet in General Conference. It took a long time for the sisters to pray in Sacrament meeting or attend the Temple without their husbands so maybe we will have to wait even longer. Having said that, I still looking for the answer. :)

I started a new thread here: http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/38420-sisters-praying-conference.html#post581316

I'm looking for an official source where could explain why sisters don't pray in General Conference (and I don't refer to YW or RS General Meetings). Have anyone read a reason behind it? I am not looking into ("I heard once a sister praying...") unless there is a source. The issue of them not praying in Conference isn't new. I'm interested mainly in the reason behind it. I contacted mormon.org and they kindly told me they don't have an answer for it so I thought in bringing this question here. :) I know many of you would have your own thoughts and ideas of why and even though I welcome them and appreciate them, I am more looking into an official reason (if there is any) Thanks.

I was thinking maybe is just "tradition" (similar issue occurred when sisters didn't praying in Sacrament meeting, a longggg time ago). If is just tradition, I would love a change.