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Oh, sorry, I'll put my shoes back on.

I'm not going because JAG's not going. Well, really, I can't go anyhow.

There is a Windows 8.1 app and it's pretty good.

I'm in the same boat as you. I listened for a while then it started to not sound right and felt even less right. It wasn't until I really started reading between the lines that I got how slick he was becoming. What really did it was Mormon Stories podcast. It's blatant in it's message. That's when I stopped. I'm not afraid to listen to some far out stuff that has made me think, but I don't appreciate it when I'm being told that I'm wrong and my conversion is a farce.

What will college students do now?

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I've been reading some of the comments about Dehlin on my facebook and I'm really dismayed at what I see as obvious. He makes his living off donations for his podcasts (see here and here). Being a podcaster who is a member give a certain credibility. However, being excommunicated for the reasons he was strips away some of that credibility and donations would dwindle from members of the church. The majority of donations would need to shift to those who are disenfranchised and against the church. Church members would be strained to participate so he would be left, again, with the disenfranchised and anti as participants and donors, affecting his credibility to Mormons. Also, read what he has now posted on his website. It may seem subtle in places but there are plenty of keywords and phrases that screams out at me that his mission has become polarized. Reading between the lines, His goal is to take people out of and hurt the church. His mission in life reads almost exactly like Korihor's. Plain and simple, he has evolved to be another anti-Mormon with a very slick message. Thus, my earlier comment that I made (linky). I was one who out-loud, denied God and Christ and the necessity of the church. I fell really, really deep thus why my been-there, done-that experience has allowed me to see the slickness of Dehlin's message and what his goal really is. It frustrates me that others can't see it but all must go through their trial of faith. I just wish it wasn't by lifting Dehlin as a martyr for his cause who deserves praise. Because he doesn't.

He can write the letter but, from what I understand, he may not need to. You'll need to get with your Bishop and Stake President to find out the process but I believe you can proceed without him. Besides, from what I understand, you can still seek a sealing cancellation even if there's an excommunication. One reason I believe is if you remarry, and he has his blessings restored, then the sealing is back on. That would make a mess of things.

Yea, I know. But the Tribune and his website are probably going to be somewhat close since they (Tribune) posted some of his columns on their site.

Could be it's being updated, it hit it's bandwidth max, he took it down, or hey, Blue Host is headquartered in Orem, UT so some exec slammed down the hammer. You can search the Salt Lake Tribune. They've been in contact with him much more than Deseret News.

I listened to his interview on Mountain West Radio this morning (at least as much as I could before work got in the way) and I really feel for him because I recognize the same tone he has with what I had when I was first excommunicated - no humility (humility being submitting ourselves to the will of our Heavenly Father) and lots of pride. I had to lose everything short of my life before I decided to humbled myself and accept what had happened and truly become obedient and turn myself to God. Before anyone misconstrues what I'm saying, I chose to do what it took to come back into the church. I know of others who humbled themselves, accept what had happened and turned to God who decided not to come back to the LDS church. They also have found comfort and their lives have become much better because they not only became obedient to the word of God, they developed a personal relationship with God. What I'm saying is that, and if by some weird confluences of events I'm actually asked, my advice to him would be to step out of the public eye, concentrate on what is important (his marriage and family), work at developing a personal relationship with his Father in Heaven and leave the rest alone. Otherwise, he risks losing it all.

The church's official response to his excommunication They also provided the letter from the disciplinary hearing (pdf).

Excommunicated. I wish him well because, speaking of one who has been ex'd, it's going to be a hard road if he decides to come back.

I was dealing with the concept that how is it that I have to deal with the consequences of others agency that was the catalyst for the horrible decisions I made. After talking to my Bishop and looking up this, and other stuff, I came to the following conclusions: 1) I don't know the mind of God, nor are His ways my ways. 2) To be stuck thinking about my future with my lifetime of consequences only allows one course of action that God must take, and that is to lift the consequences which is very, very, very unlikely to happen. 3) Faith and hope is accepting that God will work in ways that I cannot foresee. So while I still have to deal with the consequences of my acts, God has a plan and a path that is unknown to me but will unfold as I exercise and stretch my faith, endure and progress. 4) It all boils down to "be still and know that I am God." He's done wonders with me thus far so there's no need to think that He's done with me yet.

HAHAHA! You'll help me again because I'm irresistible

More pretty fabric!

That was it (linky) Specifically: "Our lives are made up of thousands of everyday choices. Over the years these little choices will be bundled together and show clearly what we value. The crucial test of life, I repeat, does not center in the choice between fame and obscurity, nor between wealth and poverty. The greatest decision of life is between good and evil. We may foolishly bring unhappiness and trouble, even suffering upon ourselves. These are not always to be regarded as penalties imposed by a displeased Creator. They are part of the lessons of life, part of the test. Some are tested by poor health, some by a body that is deformed or homely. Others are tested by handsome and healthy bodies; some by the passion of youth; others by the erosions of age. Some suffer disappointment in marriage, family problems; others live in poverty and obscurity. Some (perhaps this is the hardest test) find ease and luxury. All are part of the test, and there is more equality in this testing than sometimes we suspect."

I was speaking to my Bishop and he told me that he heard a quote from a talk that goes something like that in the afterlife, we will be surprised at everyone's equal difficulty of trials. I would appreciate help finding this talk.

Love it, two words explains it all.

I first laid eyes on my then-wife moving out her ex-family and ex-husband from their home (the ex's home). I thought "yea, I can handle that." Little did I know. Nevertheless, marrying her was the best thing I've ever done in my life. Messing up our marriage was the worst.

Welp, compatibility is key

Kind-of serious. When it comes to all kinds of proclivities, unless they're in a protective class, the risk of extending rights to them are pretty low especially how glacially the system works. But, in my feeble opinion, extending marriage rights to the LGBT community (without taking a side) would open legal challenges for polygamy, if not others, because it would broaden the definition of the equal protection clause including possibly the argument of adding to the protective classes.

People, people, it's not a batter of balance, it's a matter of whether or not a person belongs to a protected class. Outside of that, the argument is kind-of mute.

This is one reason why I like him: Drinking mate! That just tickles my Argentine side. First time I saw this picture is visiting my mom, she has it on her fridge (yes, she's Argentine).

I confess that I get emotionally attached to machinery. There isn't a car I've bought that I haven't kissed right smack on the grill emblem.