Backroads

Well, tragically, we just had a Scout accidentally shoot himself. Not at camp, though. So sad.

This solved my confusion. It did seem to me you said one thing in the opening thread than another in the other post. I'm following now.

Thank-you for sharing that. It's wonderful you are back in church. Remember, what other people think of you is none of your business.

There's no way to be 100% safe. I guess all you can do is mourn and continue your life. Some might say to relook at scouting safety measures, but there's only so much you can do!

I heard about it yesterday, and it terrifies me! The radio was saying they don't know if he'll ever get back full use of his arm.

Neither of those camps are in my council, but we do have our own camp at Bear Lake. Just the thought of a kid drowning there breaks my heart, which also goes out to whoever was running the water at the time. I ache for both families. My office already has had to make a practical plan to deal with questions.

Did the same above. Now I need to get around to changing my name.

I guess I'm still having trouble relating it to your last post. Or maybe I need more clarification in the grey area.

It is a fascinating story, I don't care what your religious views are. It is kind of fun to see a claim turned down, though. Eh, I have very little problem with polygamy. 'Course, that's me speaking as a single wife. But the idea of it... I have no problem. There's this upcoming claim against the state of Utah to stop criminalizing polygamy.

But who is to say that he is prone to so many areas?

I thought the movie was cute... then again, anything Gulliver's Travels can do no wrong in my eyes. But yeah... let's do more with more talent.

Well, we've spent the week chatting about it here and there... and she was the one to bring it up to me, amazingly enough. I guess that was my answer to praying about it. It seems they are both doing all they can do.

There comes a point when you have to think about your own safety and spirituality. Think of the parable of the 10 Virgins.

You're right. I just hate to see a marriage go down the tubes.

I'm unsure what to think. If she didn't do it, she didn't do it, but there was so much going on that was WRONG.

Yes, I was unfairly suspicious. That gives the man no right to assume everyone will assume the best of him. He says stuff like that, I will probably take offense and wonder why he said it. I'll go with that. I will try hard not to offended by what the announcer said. I guess this is what I've gotten all hung-up on.

I guess I was just extremely offended by what this guy did, and, for the record, I'm just as offended by people that tell dead baby and Holocaust jokes. I don't find those funny, but offensive, mean-spirited, tactless, and uncouth. Is it wrong of me to think that way? I'm still furious at this guy and I think he should have a better sense of his audience. But I do see your point and I will lay off the guy though I still believe he should apologize. Is it? I felt like I was being told what the guy did was okay because I couldn't prove it was mean-spirited.

I suppose I don't, but why would anyone do a potentially offensive joke if they didn't believe in it? There are so many other ways this man could have "played the crowd". But he didn't. He said all the illegals should be stuck on a train. As a joke. No one is going to say such a joke unless they truly and honestly support it. If he had no feelings about it, he would have come up with something else. The joke idea would not even have crossed his mind. Does the idea of "saying stuff to please a crowd" make it okay? Am I really supposed to say "Oh, go ahead and tell offensive jokes because I can't prove you mean it?" And if he didn't mean it, he's tactless and an idiot. Saying things for popularity's sake is a terrible thing when the wrong things are said and there is no justification for it. You said it, don't blame the desire to please the world.

We seem to be on the same page with the marriage, but you'll have to give me some time to come up with my feelings concerning a child. .... .... .... I believe the local ward would welcome the boy for following the gospel, but would definitely encourage him to be as kind and respectful to his parents as possible.

I truly do believe that if the spouse is not willing to consent, the relationship is probably not healthy--and this is what Paul just might be referring to when allowing them to leave their spouses.

I recently read Robert Millet's I Will Fear No Evil and can't wait to get ahold of more of his books. (Note: that's one not particularly scriptorial, but excellent.) Are you perhaps needing the auditory scriptures? Or... and I hope no one laughs because I mean this in all seriousness and all respect... kiddie Book of Mormon stories? Good ones will get you the stories and the lessons.

I ponder this rule of spouse approval and while I suppose one could always find a sexist side to it, I think I see the reasoning behind it. A husband and wife are partners who should be reaching an agreement on so much in life. Even if they don't have the same views on religion, they should be at a spot where they would be happy and willing to let their loved one do what is right for them. Neo-Pagan(or whatever) spouse + spouse who is interested in joining the LDS Church/receiving endowments/insert other church thing: Healthy relationship: I don't fully understand the LDS thing, but I know you are in intelligent and intuitive person who has studied and pondered this. Yes, I am willing to love you and strive to make our relationship work as much as I always have, if not more. Unhealthy relationship: I don't fully understand the LDS thing, and it hurts me that you are doing something I don't feel right about/offends me/goes beyond my control. I feel this will negatively impact our relationship and I don't know if I can/am willing to make this work. Permission from the spouse (written or verbal) strikes me as a handy proof that communication and understanding in this sacred marriage (which I believe to be sacred despite any religion or lack thereof) is going good.

All right, I'll admit I overreacted. I guess I just have trouble thinking that a guy would use a friendly round-up term in conjunction with getting people out of the country in that venue.

I'm very much in support of fixing the legal system. Make it tigther, more efficient. Make it easier for those who want to do it legally while securing the boarders for those who don't want to do it legally (and let's be honest, if we get easy and efficient, most people will be happy to go the legal route). I like immigration. We are a nation of immigrants and I for one appreciate the different cultures that are brought in. I don't like illegal immigration. I have enough issues with the welfare system as it is without illegals using it. But I've also seen way too many human faces on the issue. My father-in-law runs a ranch and a quarry and is a huge support of work visas and similar ideas. But he also hates going through the skimble-skamble process of legally bringing workers over and then having them jump over to some easier, illegal route.

I think this is more or less what I would like to do. My SiL grew up in an extremely conservative household with a mother that has told her that sex is wrong.