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Backroads.... uhhmmm you do realize you are not really the target audience for a temple open house right? While its in nice and great to be excited about a new temple. Open houses are targeted for those who will most likely never have another chance to see the inside.

While I coincided the possibility that it wasn't leadership when I first expressed that was what you truly meant... It is not the only answer. It is also very possible that he is leading her very skillfully... Leading her to figure out exactly what she really wants. While I make no claims on what Eowin's husband's is thinking here is a possible path he took. She asks her question and he parses into "Do you want to spend time with your family including your wife or do you want to spend with your family minus your wife and companion. And realizes it is a no brainier question, and questions like that mean someone you love generally means there is a communication failure. If there is a communication failure then he needs to figure out what she really means and wants so he can lead with that in mind. Now he knows of the stress that they have been under and he knows that if his wife tells him flat out she needs a break from the kids for a bit then she needs a break and he needs to make it happen. (again I am presuming the relationship is generally loving and strong which I think is safe to do) Is this what she is telling him? Did the idea of her temporary transferring all of his duties to him for the space of three days cause her to soften her 'need' beyond recognition? Or is she just batting around a very temping idea? He doesn't know so he softballs the answer. Instead of forcing his will in a way may or may not be contrary what she wants (once she figures it out) he guides in a way that makes her come to terms with what she really wants. Instead locking down with a yes or no answer in the space few second he has given both of them time to truly think and consider what is best. And in my book that is the best kind of leadership... Its very Christ-like

You acknowledged that you failed to communicate your meaning and intent clearly by editing your posts. Yet instead of saying "opps" or "sorry I screwed up," you instead try to shift blame on to someone else for not being a mind reader. That does not bode well for you continued interactions on a site that requires such communications.

On this forum those making the claim get to provide the proof. You made and extraordinary claim of knowing Eowyn better then she knows herself. You claim to know how she is attracted to her husband, and what kills that attraction for Eowyn. Cite your sources. (Ideal ones would be from Eowyn's life. Got any of her Journal entries?) I really doubt you will find any of that with a google search When you realize the impossibility of backing the claim you made you might reach the conclusion that what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. That you might have instead meant that in general Women find those men that Lead attractive and that those that don't to be less attractive. I am sure you can find lots of sources for that. Your google search will work for that That instead of presenting it as fait accompli (see I can use big words too) you could have presented it as a warning something for her to be aware of and work to counter. But you did not. Instead you came off as someone setting themselves up as an authority of all things Eowyn and you got called on your self referral appeal to authority fallacy.

Agreed if that is what the prompting of the Lord is telling, you then that is what you need to do. Don't take such a prompting as some kind of reset on all the other truths you have learned and have accepted though. Everything thing else is still true and correct. You still need to hold fast to all the other truths that you have while expanding out to follow this. Go to church with your mom and then if possible go (by yourself if necessary) to the LDS church. Continue to study the scriptures, continue to pray. And have faith that the Lord will lead you where you need to be

Eowyn... don't you just love how someone just 3 posts in on this site already knows you well enough to say what you find attractive and what you don't?

The church teaches that at age 8 a child starts becoming accountable. The law (in the US at least) states that at 18 a person becomes and adult with all the legal adult responsibilities. Assuming normal mental development, the parents have about 10 years to teach the child to stand on their own. Which is easier to do if you start earlier when the consequences are less important. By the time they are 18 the parents role should be mainly advisory. A state that should gradually and naturally come about by giving the child more and more responsibilities before the 18th year comes around.

I guess I can throw some guy perspective here... He doesn't want you to go and leave him with the kids. He is clearly willing, he might even think you need to go. But if you are asking for what he really wants I think it is pretty safe to say he would want you to stay. Being a 'good' guy/husband/father means putting the needs of your Wife and Children first, and I am pretty sure that is what you are seeing here.

It is a fine line... But I think it is just as wrong to say one should never asked to be released, due to the absolute nature of the never, as it is wrong to say that one should be always be released because it they would rather do something else. In the end we have two Stewardships in play and they both need to be synced up to the will of the Lord. You have the bishop who will generally know of the wards needs before the individual does and therefore is more likely to be seeking answers on who to call. And the individual who will generally knows of their needs before the bishop and therefore is more likely to be seeking answers on what they need to do. Then there is the Lord who knows all but respects agency and wants us to ask. Therefore it is quite likely that one of the two Stewards will come to understand the will of the Lord before the other. Not because of worthiness but because one became aware of the need to ask first. Thus the two stewards need to council together and share thoughts and idea and impressions and desires. A council that will not happen if one side feels they should never 'ask'. Now the question becomes if after council together both the bishop and the individual have different ideas on what the next step should be. This is when the church teaches that one should support the Bishop, one should obey, and gain the blessing of obedience. And this teaching is pretty simple to understand. The church has to teach general principles. If they tried to detail every exception they would be bogged down forever. And as a general principle the Bishop should be a ideal candidate for learning the will of the Lord. He has the authority, stewardship, he should be a third independent party that understand the situation and loves the individual, and he should be well versed in following and understanding the promptings of the spirit. Whereas the individual could be anywhere on the map spiritually. Therefore while the bishop could be wrong for various reasons it seems more likely that the individual would be.

Which she did. Being tested doesn't mean we failed. Learning something doesn't mean we were doing the opposite before. She got a calling she didn't like or want (the test) she fulfilled the calling (presumably to the best of her ability).. After a time she asked to be released. She was not (the test again) and she continued to serve (again presumably to the best of her ability) and then different things came up, time passed, and she asked again and the cycle repeated. By doing it the Lords way she learned(according to Elder Packer) that it was the right way. In fact we can go so far as to say Christ asked to be released when in the Garden he asked the Father if the cup might pass from him. Now if you equate 'asking to be released' as meaning refusing to do the calling then I would agree with you. But as Christ's example shows, the asking is not a sin, and not of itself wrong. That potentially comes when we get an answer we do not like to our request

Your story just proved the point... The dear Sister asked to be released... She was not rebuked or belittled or told she lacked faith for bringing her desires to the bishop's attention. She asked and it was considered perfectly acceptable for her to do so, in so much that the Bishop took it to the Lord. The fact that it is also a great story of being humble and doing the Lord's will is secondary to the subject to this thread. For many people in many situation the answer could very well come back yes.

Its between You, your DH and the Lord. Something to consider as you wrestle with it. One of the reason you give is that he is unhappy with his current job and that is a good reason. However 30% is lot. For many men another aspect of their happiness is in their ability to provide for their families. If this is the case for your DH then you really need to discuss the possibility that you would be just changing the cause of the unhappiness, and not eliminating it.

All the statements you give strike me as don't turn down a calling quotes... That is quite a bit different then asking to be released after serving for awhile. I have never seen a quote or statement that says you should never keep your leaders in the loop on how your personal situation has changed and how it will impact your ability to serve. Quite the opposite really. It been my understanding and experience that the Lord answers when asked, but if we are not asking he doesn't always prompt us. So how is a leader suppose to know he should be asking? Clearly when someone tells him that things have changed. Who is the best person to tell the leader this information? The person most directly affected. This is much more preferable then having the person holding the calling simply start failing to perform while waiting for the leader to clue in that something is no longer working.

But it is... You are pointing the finger at generic girls not wanting big families... But alot of that is going to be based on the quality of her husband. Is he a good provider, does he do what is required even if it hard for him personally and require him to sacrifice, does he respect women, in general and the one he marries in particular? And based on what you have posted here... You are easy to be seen as failing in all those areas. And no woman with any sense of self respect is going to come to you and say... Let me be your brood mare. Let me be abused by you and suffer because you are going to put your needs and desires first. You becoming a good, worthy, man is the very first step you must take before you can even begin to look for a woman in general, and finding that might be willing to have a large family with you.

+1 to what Skippy said... Plus even by this standard you presented you do not make it just from what you have posted... Would someone with a broken heart, and contrite spirit go off and challenge what the Lords' anointed say on what it takes to be baptism? Or would they humble themselves to the challenge and to everything in their power to jump through every hoop presented knowing that the Lord would bless them for it. Simple fact you are being tested on just how willing you are to obey the Lord's command as given through is servants. And you are pretty much saying yes I want it, but I want it done my way, the way I think is best. And that has never passed as the proper mindset for being baptized

I've observed that it would seem that one of the 'test' that some people will get in this life is how they respond to an offense (or presumed offense) given by a church leader.. Many choose to accuse and blame and point out the failings of the church leader in question. As if the Leaders aren't allowed to have human failing and not allowed need work just like everyone else. This position, uncorrected, leads to the accuser cutting themselves off and doing more damage to themselves then the leader ever did. Very few seem to realize that such occasions are prime time to develop Christ like attributes of compassion, understanding, and forgiveness. These two paths will lead a person to very different ends, but the choice ultimately is theirs.

Because of the Atonement... God in his mercy has provided away to undo the eternal consequence of ignorant choice and replace it with a better choice when we are more informed

In the image I have the USER CP circled in Red. To the right of that is the New Posts link, even farther to the right is the Quick Links. All on the same row.

Umm... you do realize that asking how the missionaries do something without using religion is kinda like asking a teacher to teach math without using numbers? Right? Missionaries are successful because they teach people that it is God's will, and the people choose to obey (or not as the case may be). If you are going to remove religion you have to find a different model for what you are looking to do.

It turns out I am the one that needs to say I am sorry. I remembered posting this http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/46952-apostasy-4.html#post677884 I thought it was in response to you directly, but it turns out I was wrong about to whom I was talking. Sorry about that.

StephenVH is incorrect. He was told that if he wanted to share Catholic believes he could do so in the Christian Beliefs Board - LDS Social Network Forums He was told that he can not do so in the LDS Gospel Discussion - LDS Social Network Forums For the reason that it was dedicated to (crazily enough) to LDS Gospel Discussion. If you want to take it to email you can, but don't do so under the misunderstanding that it can't be done here in the proper sub forum.

There is... right here on LDS.net. Its called the Christian Beliefs Board - LDS Social Network Forums We keep telling people this but they keep wanting to you the LDS Gospel Discussion or the General Discussions and we really don't know how to make this any clearer

Right because this thread is all about you and your opinions... And no one else can have one without challenging you personally.

I would advise care in refuting the idea that Heavily Father prepared someone for a person. Don't push so hard that it comes out that Heavily Father will never prepares someone for a person. Because this extreme is not true either. My wife had it revealed to her that I was the one she was suppose to marry the first time she saw me. It took me much longer to clue in to that fact. She was very much prepared. Still either one of us could have changed things had we acted (or not acted) differently. I think the correct course of action is two fold. One be prayerful, so the Lord and push you in the right direction and Two be actively searching and making choices so that you can go in the right direction.

Saying there is problem with making the statement that every young man 'needs' to serve a mission... is like saying there is a problem saying that everyone 'needs' to obey the Law of Chasity, and the Word of Wisdom. People who have had a problem with those can be equally hurt by equally forceful declarations of those two commandments as young men can be hurt by declarations of missionary service. The problem isn't with the pricking of the hearts to repentance. The problem is that to many people think they have the right to know, why? They see a situation that they think is 'wrong' and so they butt in, thinking that with just a few 'magic' words they can 'fix' it and make everything alright again. In most cases people are coming out of no where to correct the young mans faults. And while they wrap themselves up in the 'best of intentions,' the young man only sees 'self righteous' strangers who couldn't be bothered with him until they start picking at his flaws. Understanding this it is not hard to see why he would respond poorly. If you want to help a young man (or anyone struggling with sin for that matter) you need to spend more time listening to them and less time preaching at them.